tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6479272136871032972024-03-06T01:04:52.336-08:00Dobermans Rule- Dogs & Politics don't mixDOBERMANS RULE - POLITICS & DOGS DON'T MIX - A Blog to promote the joys of dog ownership - We support responsible breeding including health testing and titling. We oppose all proposed bills submitted by HSUS and the Animal rights radicals. We have the right to own guns and we have the right to own our animals. Just look at what politicians have done to destroy our nation - No prayer in schools, no discipline and the undermining of the family.Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-46749456700160519372021-12-19T06:38:00.001-08:002021-12-19T06:38:40.910-08:00<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiBuvECNSPL16KdjVHehWi4esurGNeKfeAUvwzBUStUW8Hn8tOJyIy2H_UDwBXU0ftTM07RFtdI53XlN1RY4abnLf5Bqyfo7Kc6vTRiA3rKndAkm3AOEjZxglW6jUcCQ_NijyF1xE7XHTvhDTUNQuMpzSkYbIK4vFgtznqZ6V8J9V8p2FmMucwi1uxo=s800" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="600" data-original-width="800" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiBuvECNSPL16KdjVHehWi4esurGNeKfeAUvwzBUStUW8Hn8tOJyIy2H_UDwBXU0ftTM07RFtdI53XlN1RY4abnLf5Bqyfo7Kc6vTRiA3rKndAkm3AOEjZxglW6jUcCQ_NijyF1xE7XHTvhDTUNQuMpzSkYbIK4vFgtznqZ6V8J9V8p2FmMucwi1uxo=s320" width="320" /></a></div><br /> <p></p><p style="line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><b>HOW DID WE GET HERE ?</b></span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">I make no bones about being an
American and 100% a Patriot. I love this country and I love my
freedom. I know many others feel the same and talk about how they
want to remain in control of their own lives yet turn right around
and pay homage to the control of breeding by government officials.</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">If I have learned one thing from life
it is that diversity is what made this country great. People who
were FREE to pursue their dreams in any manner they felt would work
for them. They fought for freedom and the worked hard to succeed.
They believe in the power of each one to live their life without
threat of censorship.</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">I find this to be a conflict of
personal beliefs and other things said by some individuals who spout
we should have breed wardens and rules to dictate who can, should or
should not be allowed to breed or tell them what dogs they could
breed. They speak loudly how diversity is the best indicator of
health while not having the first clue on how it happens and even
less understanding to the condition of Doberman breeding in American
or Europe so let’s take a look at it.</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Let’s look at some indicators and
see where each stands - On average if I read the results correctly
European Doberman’s come in at 50% or higher on the diversity scale
and American Doberman’s come in at 40% on average. So if the
German rule works so well, I have to ask what has it done to the gene
pool as far as preserving diversity??? It is claimed that the DV has
done a better job producing Doberman’s that work, YET they also
claim that the show line Europeans don’t work just like the
American show line. So I have to ask if they are all required to
pass a fit for breeding test why the distinct difference in the “show
Lines” and ‘working lines”?</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">I have to ask if the DV fit for
breeding test is required for every Doberman sire and dam than why
aren’t they all working dogs??? This tells me that in effect there
are flaws in our thinking on who to breed and no one way to judge
correct the best of the best since that is the goal for breeding.</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">I will probably be called a heretic
for saying this, but I feel we were far better off in the 70’s when
approximately 80,000 Dobermans were registered a year right here in
America. Iit seems every breed at some point goes through a wave of
popularity where anyone and everyone jumps into breeding them. It
seems to reason that diversity would be high under these
circumstances. . So what happened?</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Showing in and of itself will restrict
breeding to only the best. In and of itself that is not wrong, but
it is very limiting if you consider 100 Dobermans in a show and only
one will be champion. Compound the problem as everyone wants to
breed to the champion then you immediately have a problem with the
popular sire who will multiply any genetic problems he might carry as
well as create a problem with diversity.</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Another reason is AKC discovered that
breeders were withholding AKC registration papers in order to
“protect” their breeding program when they sent a puppy to a pet
home. Then the pet family decided to breed and you can imagine the
rest, they wanted to register their litter. AKC wants purebred dogs
registered to keep themselves in business. Limited registration gave
breeders a way to register pet puppies and still preserve some
control over breeding and AKC got their money..</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">I must mention the AR (animal
radicals) whose sole purpose is to stop all breeding, eating or
working of all animals. We have caved in to their radical views and
tried to appease them to the point that we are afraid to stand up and
proudly say we are breeders and we have sadly adopted a lot of their
rhetoric and thinking - spay/neuter contracts, we now place puppies
as opposed to “sell” them and we have falling into the “parent”
child trap thinking our dogs are not dogs who were bred with a
purpose and should be allowed to perform their job at some level.</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Now we have less than 10,000 Doberman
registered a year last time AKC released numbers which I think was
about 2009. Consider half of those are on spay/neuter contacts and
limited registration that cuts down the gene pool to about 5,000 dogs
that could be available for breeding and that is a very conservative
estimate. We limit that further to only champions or titled dogs and
you can surely see where diversity went.</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">I hate to even mention all the biting
and backstabbing by the “Show Snob” crowd who will chew you up
and spit you out without a second thought to the future of the breed.
I have seen people who complain about the rudeness of show people
and as soon as they achieve a title they are right there with them
pointing fingers at new people and treating them just a bad as the
“snob crowd” they complained against. This is very discouraging
to anyone who is serious about breeding.</span></p>
<p style="font-weight: normal; line-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">It does make one ask the question: “
how we got so far off track with such good intentions?”</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">One thing we know for sure is
diversity went out the window.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: white; font-size: medium;"><b>The
Quest for Health or the BIG lie</b></span></span></p>
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<span style="color: white;"><span style="font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Today
we are several years down the road with the new diversity DNA studies
and programs. What have we gained??? What have we learned and where
do we go from here??? </span></span>
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<p style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;">
<span style="font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><span style="color: white; font-size: small;">Those
are not easy questions as we tread lightly with this relative new
technology and as I have seen with so many new testing procedures the
gene pool suffers. It would be so easy if we could make cold hard
statements that affect health and they were always true, but that is
not the case. Up to this point every time we have jumped one
direction we find we jump into another problem that we did not
foresee.</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;">
<span style="font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><span style="color: white; font-size: small;">Am
I against testing – ABSOLUTELY NOT. What I am against is using any
one health test to eliminate any breeding dog from the gene pool.
Doberman already have a very small gene pool and there are those who
believe the breed is already doomed. I personally do not feel that
way because we still have Dobermans who live to a good old age
although it will never be long enough.</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;">
<span style="color: white;"><span style="font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Yes
I have lost a lot of faith in science, vets, AVMA, FCI, AKC and
other organizations ASPCA, HSUS and on and on it goes. They may all
start out with good intentions, but it always comes out that the dogs
often loose and those running these programs just get richer. </span></span>
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<p style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;">
<span style="font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><span style="color: white; font-size: small;">For
example we have titer test to determine immunity for diseases that we
have vaccinated or not. The titer test shows if a dog has immunity
still active from any vaccine or exposure to a disease. Yet in spite
of this ever 12 months your vet sends you a nice little reminder card
to come in and get your “annual” vaccinations regardless of the
problems that they are well aware of with over vaccination.</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;">
<span style="color: white;"><span style="font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">How
do you trust people who ignore the science and dupe pet owners who
are not as knowledgeable as a breeder on the proper protocols??? For
too long we have trusted the science or in some cases been pressured
to do what we felt was not good for the breed. A long time ago a
very wise breeder of many years told me if you have a problem you
have to breed through it. You will not solve it by stopping breeding
and you won’t solve it by radically eliminating dogs that would
help maintain more diversity in our gene pool. </span></span>
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<p style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;">
<span style="font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><span style="color: white; font-size: small;">So
why are we here with such a small gene pool because we trusted the
science and we believed they had our dogs best interest at heart. I
will use Vwd as a prime example. A minor problem in Dobermans yet in
the early 1990’s when the test first came out they sold it on FEAR
– your dog is going to DIE so you must know the Vwd status or you
dog can get a small bump on the leg and bleed to death. DEATH does
sell. Now we are seeing the exact same thing with the DCM1 and DCM2
genes. In fact if test your dog through one of the popular DNA
diversity companies you will get a DEATH letter stating your dog is
going to die of DCM. Below is a email I wrote to Embark regarding
this Death letter:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: white;"><span style="font-variant: normal;"><span style="letter-spacing: normal;">“</span></span><span style="font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><span style="font-variant: normal;"><span style="letter-spacing: normal;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">I
am writing regarding an e mail I received that was basically
presented as a "death" sentence to one of my dogs that
tested positive for one of the DNA mutations that Embark test for.
First I was very glad that I am going on 30 years of breeding
Dobermans or I would have fainted or had a stroke. </span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-variant: normal;"><span style="letter-spacing: normal;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">The
entire Embark "AT RISK" designation is very misleading in
almost every single instance as there is no solid proof that any
of the mutations tested for are an absolute death sentence even for
the homozogous dogs. It is fear mongering at its best and for
those who are not as knowledgeable as most breeders, would feel
devastated in receiving such a negative letter.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: white; font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><br />
<span style="font-variant: normal;"><span style="letter-spacing: normal;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">You
want the support of breeders, you need the support of breeders, if
you truly want families of Dobermans to test, as that would increase
your odds of finding something that actually might be helpful.
I started testing all puppies in my litters, but am now questioning
the wisdom of that decision when I have to spend hours reassuring a
family that their puppy is no more at risk than any other Doberman
out there and that to get money researchers use fear tactics to make
one think their dog will die tomorrow. I have a history of
decen tlongevity in my lines well before all this testing jumped on
the scene so I do have a little experience and knowledge.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: white; font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><br />
<span style="font-variant: normal;"><span style="letter-spacing: normal;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">While
I understand you may consider this a CYA (cover your ass) strategy,
it is not truthful, honest or professional to state something in such
a factual manner that you know you can't prove. But it will go
a long way in destroying your credibility with breeders . You
already have an explanation of what clear, carrier or affected means,
so a simple negative, heterozygous (which in most cases in no
way indicates any problem at all, or homozygous should be sufficient
to CYA.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: white; font-family: Arial Narrow, sans-serif;"><br />
<span style="font-variant: normal;"><span style="letter-spacing: normal;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">As
a breeder who does care about health testing and the future of the
breed, I have been sorely disappointed up to this point in the
actual negative impact of these DNA mutations. But what the
fear mongering did accomplish is a radical reduction of our gene
pool, as those who did not have more sense or knowledge did not
consider the negative impact to our breed as they radically
remove good dogs from the gene pool. All of this over things
that can be easily controlled through the testing ithout
decimating the gene pool.”</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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</p>Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-74428655080135652052021-08-05T09:34:00.000-07:002021-08-05T09:34:45.549-07:00<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjvutpobpeTXv2db5FFZTgu521FihYDQfcNXGW7I_oUukCd0LuUv55e72Enkoq5hdniHEP4GElSMaz_voFDmm9PZmzUlzTali7ubir2WxHitibfBgPHlYFbD0jEv3SWci9CVmkZlgN6mdM/s800/Computer+Dog1x.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="600" data-original-width="800" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjvutpobpeTXv2db5FFZTgu521FihYDQfcNXGW7I_oUukCd0LuUv55e72Enkoq5hdniHEP4GElSMaz_voFDmm9PZmzUlzTali7ubir2WxHitibfBgPHlYFbD0jEv3SWci9CVmkZlgN6mdM/s320/Computer+Dog1x.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><p></p><p> <b style="font-size: 14pt;"><span style="color: white;">The
Art of Breeding the Purebred Doberman</span></b></p>
<p align="left" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;">
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: white; font-size: medium;">As
I read different FB groups it continues to make me painfully aware
that with all the information on the super highway there are still
WAY too many uneducated folks regarding the art of breeding purebred
dogs.</span></span></p>
<p align="left" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;">
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: white; font-size: medium;">I
honestly don’t know how there can be such a break down or
misunderstanding of what purebred should really mean. For me first
and foremost is someone wants a specific dog usually for its looks as
that is what first attracks us. We have the Westminster kennel club
show each year that is televised where people can see hundreds of
different breeds presented at their very best. Then go out and try to
find a dog on Craigs list that is the breed they want.</span></span></p>
<p align="left" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;">
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: white; font-size: medium;">Some
things to notice is that usually the dogs sold on all these pet sites
and Craigslist are very poor representatives of any breed. WHY???
Because Back yard breeders otherwise referred to as BYB have no clue
about the standard of their breed and certainly don’t care about
producing quality, health or correct temperament because that cost
money. Either they are themselves uneducated about the quality that
should go along with purebred or they only care about the money.</span></span></p>
<p align="left" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="font-variant: normal;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: white; font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: normal;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">In
America, Doberman Pinscher Club of America (DPCA) is our national
Breed club for the Doberman. The correct standard for the Doberman is
set by DPCA and AKC. You can find that standard
here: <a href="https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/647927213687103297/7442865508013565205#">https://dpca.org/breed/breed-standard/</a>.
Anyone who is interested in breeding purebred dogs of any kind should
be aware that all breeds MUST have a standard that exactly describes
the correct dog that represents their breed and should READ the
standard and do their best to follow it</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;">
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: white; font-size: medium;">Because
our breed is a working breed, I feel it is even more important that
breeders know the standard and breed to the standard. While we will
never produce the perfect dog we want to at least be in the wheel
house. The standard describes both the correct look (build,
structure, color, mouth, feet, eyes) temperament (confident,
energetic, alert, fearless, loyal, trainable) and good health.</span></span></p>
<p align="left" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;">
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: white; font-size: medium;">Why
would you want to breed less that what the standard calls for???
MONEY just because it says “purebred” it is sellable and if you
don’t do all the health testing, training and showing to KNOW that
the dog meets the standard you make a lot more money without doing
anything for the breed.</span></span></p>
<p align="left" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;">
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: white; font-size: medium;">A
true breeder has a strong passion for their breed. They want to do
the best they can to properly represent their breed. They are members
of the breed club because they want to learn more and do better.
Purebred is the gold standard and it is far more than AKC
registration. It goes way beyond purebred registration.</span></span></p>
<p align="left" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;">
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: white; font-size: medium;">Demand
MORE of your breeder. Good breeders are already doing more and they
are up for the hard questions. They are up to producing a dog that
looks and performs as the standard describes. It just makes sense to
me that a breeder should be held to a higher standard – be a member
of their breed club and know the standard their breeding program
should strive to meet. Don’t be fooled by a pretty web site. Dig
further, talk to several breeders and please don’t just buy the
first puppy you find that is available. Good breeders have a waiting
list and believe you me it is worth having a little patience and
waiting for the right puppy. There are no bargains in purebred.
Purebred should stand for quality, purebred, bred to the standard and
titled and health tested.</span></span></p>
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Hi guys - Dobs4ever here back at the keyboard to talk a little more about the Doberman Diversity Project that I spoke about last week. While it is in its infancy and there is still a lot to learn about how this will all play out it does do some very important things. First it can save you money from having to do individual test for the Vwd, PDK4, Degenerative Myelopathy, coat color etc. They are the first lab I am aware of that has tried to save us money for all the numerous test that we like to do by reaching out to other labs and sharing the info they have as well as work with OFA for inclusion in their database. They hope to add more as more labs cooperate and share info. </span></div>
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I may have mentioned that they also test for 163 other diseases that are shared among different breeds. This may be the first giant step to unraveling the total DNA code. I firmly believe it will help us locate areas that might have stayed hidden for a much longer period. </span></div>
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<span style="color: white;">So what do we know about diversity? It means difference, unlikeness, variety etc<span style="font-family: "arial";">. For years as breeders, we have looked to improve on certain things mostly that we can actually see and touch. This is called the phenotype. We wanted to double up on the good genes that create beautiful conformation - correct tail set, head planes, proper alignment of the mouth and teeth, level top line, nice forechest, tight cat like feet, nicely arched neck - along with strong temperament, agile, fearless, alert, energetic, loyal all which are more abstract. It is how we have judged our dogs and our breedings from the beginning because it was all we had. </span></span></div>
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<span style="color: white; font-family: "arial";">We know that too much tight inbreeding takes us down a very negative path so that tells us that diversity is important - but how much is too much or how much is not enough???</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "arial";"><span style="color: white;">We always hope to breed a dog who only gets the best for both parents while missing the not so good. Sadly it does not work that way. With every good there is a little bad thrown in. With a strong crystal ball all of this can be corrected. I just have not found the crystal ball yet but I do believe that the diversity study could lead us down that path in the future.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "arial";"><span style="color: white;">I guess it starts with the discovery of DNA in the late 80's and that folks is the late 1800's. It was 84 years later or 1950's when it was first recognized as genetic material and it was the late 80's and early 90's that it became valuable in individual identification and used by criminalist to catch criminals. </span></span></div>
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<span style="color: white; font-family: "arial";">In all that time we have actually identified very few of the strains of DNA and what they actually are related to. It's most valuable in the Diversity project as they follow the DNA strain in search of decoding the secret to each specific disease and hopefully it's elimination at least in the animal population. It scares me to think of how it might be used for future in human selection and that is all I will say about that.</span></div>
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<span style="color: white; font-family: "arial";">It's an old study with new twist and turns as we advance down the genetic hole!!! I am excited that with today's scientific advances the trip will be much faster than the past century!!</span></div>
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: "arial";">BREEDERS MUST DO MORE - Let's take a look at MORE diversity</span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">I hear this over and over so it has become a reoccurring theme by many who have never bred a litter. Of course, it is usually followed by the comment that we must test although the test do not necessarily give any clear cut direction or path to follow. WHAT??</span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">Breeders today are doing more than ever before in testing and telling, yet the arm chair quarter backs continue to slash and dice at will. I am for truth and honesty and I am for testing our dogs. I am not for making any breeding decision based on any one test in and of itself. We have no test that gives us 100% clear direction on what will happen, what is good or what is a death sentence. That still requires a crystal ball.</span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">Today we have one of the smallest gene pools of any purebred dog and I have to wonder if things were truly better back in the 70's when anyone and everyone was breeding Doberman's. We have gone from 80,000 registrations a year down to less than 10,000, last time AKC would release those numbers, which I believe was about 2009. A lot of time has past since then so with the direction it was going makes me wonder where our registrations are today.</span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">So let's look at that number 10,000 - and what things have drastically impacted it -</span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: "arial";"> 1. Mandatory spay/neuter</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: "arial";"> 2. Popular sire</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: "arial";"> 3. Massive elimination of dogs from gene pool due to Vwd</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: "arial";"> 4. More massive elimination when the PDK 4 mutation was found</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: "arial";"> 5. Adopt don't shop - The AR (animal radical) agenda</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: "arial";"> 6. Breeding is wrong</span></div>
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<span style="color: white;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";"> </span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";"> 7. HSUS draining off monies to line their personal pockets under false pretense</span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: "arial";"> 8. changing society to a more citified line of thought with no personal experience</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: "arial";"> with animal husbandry and where food comes from.</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: "arial";"> 9.. Two World Wars that brought breeding almost to a halt</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">So what are we looking at - a lack of genetic diversity. Diversity is the latest and newest test to arrive on the scene and I hope everyone is as excited about it as I am. Don't get me wrong it is still not the end all answer, but I feel it puts us on a path to make the discovery of bad genes much closer and easier to find and identify. </span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">It has been amazing to watch this test unfold as more and more countries are joining and testing. It is almost like with each Doberman tested we learn something and three more questions pop up that we did not even think of before. </span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">Please remember when I speak to this I speak as an owner/breeder NOT a geneticist. I will give my impressions based on my knowledge as a breeder of Dobermans for over 25 years. Probably first things we learned is that Wright's formula for figuring genetic diversity was not accurate in determining true diversity. It is been shown that puppies within the same litter can vary as far as diversity goes. So after years of breeders using Wright's as a guide we found it is not that helpful. This is part of what makes all so very difficult. </span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">In the beginning of genetic testing (Vwd) we wanted to be so right we jumped with both feet and erratically eliminated dogs from the gene pool as it was painted with a very black brush as being a horrible gene and the public panic and feared for their dogs life. While as breeders, we knew for many years that probably half the dogs we had produced were Vwd affected and never had a dog with a problem. Then they published propaganda that led the unsuspecting public to believe every Vwd affected dog was on the verge of bleeding to death. Breeders knew better and should have used it as a tool to guide their breeder decisions so as not to produce affected puppy while not destroying the diversity within the gene pool. I shutter to think what was lost in this senseless radical elimination of breeding dogs. But it did sell test.</span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">I use far more caution now when evaluating solely based on any test genetic or otherwise. We must think beyond the dog we love in front of us and start looking at the bigger picture which is the diversity of the gene pool world wide. As I was thinking this it occurred to me that the diversity study might bring the world community of Dobermans together and make them all more supportive of not only sharing their testing and knowledge, but also their genetic material. If we are to resolve this issue we need to be able to search outside our own little neck of the woods and start looking at how can we reach out across our world to work together and share from our genetic pools and hope we save our breed.</span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">There are 2 different diversity studies and both are good. Any knowledge is better than no knowledge. I am going to tell you why I personally chose the Doberman Diversity Project - one uses 33 STR loci from across the genome to determine diversity and one uses 38. I feel more is better. I have heard from some who have used both and the diversity in some cases changes due to the increase in loci tested.</span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: "arial";">It also is approved by OFA to include the Vwd, PDK4, DM for a total of 163 that can affect another breed. Until recently I felt that was not too valuable ,but my Helio came up hetro to MDR1- I didn't even know what that was. Guess what it is some gene usually found in the retriever breeds. OMG what a revelation - our breed is the only breed created from 4 different gene pools - terriers, retrievers, herding and sight hounds which is now confirmed by finding this one little tiny gene in the DNA of the Doberman. It is rare at this point as only 3 have been found to carry this mutation that can cause drug sensitivity. Because of the Embark testing I am happy to say that my 3 Helio daughters did not pick it up so I don't have to worry about something I was not even aware existed.</span></span></span></span></div>
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I used to get that from my children, and my response was always the same - "well if I was their mother they would not be doing it - we have standards". I believe strongly in having concrete guidelines to follow and raised my children that way. Today it appears we have raised a bunch of panty waste who want to stick their nose in everyone else's business and they are guided by the AR PETA/HSUS radicals who are out to destroy our love and enjoyment of our animals. <br />
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They are easily believable as they preach don't harm and animal while they take high 6 figure salaries and show pictures of poor sad looking dogs who are dying without your help. How many dogs or kittens could be saved if they took a salary reduction??? Who need $600,000 a year to run a non-profit rescue??? Only those who are not into rescuing..... just getting paid, it is all about the money with them - Can you believe that many people send in just $19.00 a month and yet they can draw that much income. What a rip off. <br />
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So no Virginia Wolf not everyone is doing it. Not everyone is caving to the PETA/HSUS AR radicals. Just because much of Europe has lost the right to preserve their breed standards does not mean we need to follow them down the yellow brick road. <br />
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How long will we have purebred if we have not guidelines??? I am all for mutts - have had several during my lifetime, but if you want to know exactly what you are going to get you study the description of a breed and find the one that fits you and your lifestyle. You don't then decide to change it to suit your own idea. If you want that then get a mutt or start a new breed. Without standards to guide breeders you will soon have no purebreds. <br />
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When speaking of the coon hound look I see that as far different than<br />
calling them coon hounds which they are not but they have lost breed<br />
type which allows even the novice to recognize them as dobermans and<br />
not confuse them with weims or coon hoiunds.<br />
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Was I mistaken in thinking that UDC tried to do what no club has ever<br />
done before - The Total dog - meaning a conformationally sound dog that<br />
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As I read the quote I said hey wait a minute.......I am being quoted as being WRONG because I support our standard??? What is wrong with this picture???</div>
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I will gladly take that charge and wear that badge gladly. I support our rights - I support our breed - I support our standard and I support AMERICA. Now I am wrong and unfit to serve for that??? </div>
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Someone somewhere better wake up and realize what is being shoved down our throats which is the self destruction of this breed ......no of all breeds. If standards go then anyone can breed anything to anything they want on a whim, change whatever they choose and we will have no more purebreds dogs with a purpose.</div>
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<span style="background-color: #fafcfb; font-family: verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 1.7em;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Long and dry, resembling a blunt wedge in both frontal and profile views. When seen from the front, the head widens gradually toward the base of the ears in a practically unbroken line. Eyes almond shaped, moderately deep set, with vigorous, energetic expression. Iris, of uniform color, ranging from medium to darkest brown in black dogs; in reds, blues, and fawns the color of the iris blends with that of the markings, the darkest shade being preferable in every case. Ears normally cropped and carried erect. The upper attachment of the ear, when held erect, is on a level with the top of the skull.</span></span> <quote></quote></div>
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From the FCI standard: <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;">Ears:</span><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;"> </span><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;">The
ears, which is set high, is carried erect and cropped to a length in proportion
to the head.</span><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;"> </span><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;">In a country where cropping
is not permitted the uncropped ear is equally recognized.</span><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;"> </span><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;">(Medium size preferred and with the front
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<span style="color: #333333;">In countries where CROPPING is NOT permitted the uncropped is recognized. GUESS what in those countries THEY DO NOT ACCEPT CROPPED DOGS. Our dogs are BANNED from the show ring or the performance ring.</span><span style="color: #333333;">NOTE: both standards call for a cropped ear. An uncropped and undocked dog is a deviation from the ideal. In what world do we want to embrace a deviation from ideal? I am all for improving our breed. It is the mission of every quality breeder out there. Improving the breed does not mean approving or intentionally presenting a deviation as ideal. It means WE LOST OUR RIGHTS. Read above:</span></div>
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<span style="color: #333333;">Does that bother you??? It sure as the devil bothers me.</span></div>
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<span style="color: #333333;">In the days ahead we will be pressed to abandon time honored traditions and a rich heritage and encouraged by the AR whackos to embrace a deviation that can be avoided. We will be encourage to forfeit our rights and destroy our breed. It is in your hands. I hope you will fight for our purebred dogs and their traditions and heritage.</span></div>
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<span style="color: #333333;">Do not buy into the silly notion that they care more about health or temperament as they pocket an extra $4,000 to $5,000 dollars per litter at your expense by selling you a deviation. It's about the money.</span></div>
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Anyone ever hear that from your kids??? It used to be my daughter's favorite excuse to throw at me. If I listened to her that meant that some 600 kids in her high school were totally out of control - playing at being adults with immature minds that were not ready to function in a mature world.<br />
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Personally I find all their arguments very unstable. Everything - from it is not necessary and only a cosmetic procedure to it messes up their anal glands and pooping. Guess they never heard of "happy tail" which is a very painful experience that in the end results IN DOCKING the tail on an older dog to stop the continued injury and pain ...... by their own admission this is an AMPUTATION which they are against. Prevention seems prudent in this case.<br />
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If you think it is OK to loose personal freedoms then honestly I can't help you. If you think the government knows best then I sure can't help you. Their track record speaks very poorly of their ability to even maintain their own personal integrity let alone yours or mine.<br />
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I am well versed in this everyone is doing it excuse as it was my daughters most used excuses......EVERYONE was doing it. I patiently told her I was not everyone's mother but I was hers. Were I everyone else's mother she could rest assured that they would not be doing it either as it was dangerous, harmful or self destructive. We each have one time to do things right and that is the first time.<br />
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I personally don't know what everyone else has to do with my decisions but for some it must make sense. Perhaps it is that they are not capable of thinking for themselves or that they prefer to let others do all the work.<br />
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Not to mention I do not believe for one minute all those who say they support my right to crop and dock when they don't and THEN spout all the reasons why I should not either and the most often heard is: EVERYONE ELSE HAS STOPPED ......therefore I should stop. I am not everyone else and I don't want to be follow something just because everyone else does. That is exactly how sheep get led to the slaughter!!! <br />
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If the only reason to support cropping and docking was the long standing traditions and heritage of so many of the working breeds as cropped and docked. I believe in upholding many long standing traditions which sadly too many of today's world have no concept of why or how they came about and many are founded in very sound solid reasons.<br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #454545; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Rest assured this fight has NOTHING to do with choice or with cruelty - it has to do with AR groups who could not get purebred dogs banned outright so they started by chipping away at the standard. IF they can get one part of the standard to fall everywhere then it sends a loud clear message that breed standards, specific breeds, and adherence to long standing breed types are not important and therefore, purebred dogs should be banned. </span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #454545; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">That is where it is headed - As Americans we must stand tall for our rights. The government does not care about or understand the purebred dog world, shows, training, breeding etc so they need to stay the heck OUT but above all they should not support any AR groups agenda.</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #454545; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Just look what happened to the Rotties when their president sold them out and now their standard allows an undocked dog to show and win. You say not important..... You say what is the big deal......</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #454545; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Here is the link to the latest Dog News magazine: </span><a href="http://issuu.com/dognews/docs/072613" id="yui_3_7_2_1_1375365351309_64876" style="background-color: white; color: #2862c5; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; outline: 0px;" target="_blank">http://issuu.com/dognews/docs/072613 </a><span style="background-color: white; color: #454545; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Go to page 121.</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #454545; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">* AVMA and CVMA both have followed the AR agenda and worked to ban tail docking </span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #454545; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> 5,000 amputations due to tail injuries on older dogs again prevented by docking</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #454545; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> *** No one has proved on any level that tail docking is harmful .....but there is proof it is beneficial especially to docked breeds, otherwise why the exemption for working dogs???</span><br />
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<span style="color: #454545; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Since the initial writings above several providences in Canada have BANNED cropping and docking. CHOICE has proven over and over to lead to NO CHOICE. We must pull our heads out of the sand and understand that the fight is far deeper than the crop / dock issue. It goes to the very heart of the purebred dog world and/or its elimination. The choice is choose a side...One maintains our breed standards and the other leads to the destruction of dogs - animals period ............................Wake up before it is too late and stop the insanity.</span><br />
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I can't tell you how often I hear this statement "It's just a beauty contest" as folks try to dismiss the value of the conformation ring. It is almost always said by folks who have never competed at anything with their dog and who certainly do not fully understand the purpose of the "beauty pageant". <br />
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While beauty and grace is certainly a big part of it there is really so much more as far as evaluating the underlying structure and muscle tone of the dog. Without strong conformation the dog is subject to or more<br />
prone to injury when working. This is certainly far more important for the larger working breeds than any other as the larger breeds have a lot more pressure and stress put on their bones and joints.<br />
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For me to poo poo something just because you do not fully understands its underlying importance is a big part of what has hurt the dog fancy and in the end our dogs. If breeding is about bettering the breed then we must consider the conformation of the dog which speaks directly to the correct underlying structure for optimum performance.<br />
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Nothing is more heartbreaking than to get a dog, spend two years just to put the foundation training on it and then have it break down somewhere along the line before you finish the program you had for that dog. It is a very costly mistake also. Conformation helps us and guides us in breeding so we have the best chance at long term success for the working dogs.<br />
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Standards are very specific on each and every part of the dog - head structure, dentention, ear set, stop, eye shape and size, topline, shoulder angulation, rear angulations, feet shape and size, neck tie in all of which affects the overall movement of the dog ..........all of it is a part of the dog that was developed for a specific purpose based on what that particular breed was developed for. To say it is just a beauty pageant shows a complete lack of understanding of what the breed was originally designed for and the purpose each part of the dog fulfills.<br />
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It is far far more than just a beauty pageant although we are obsessed with the beauty and the thrill of a show like Westminister it goes far beyond that .....it goes to the very heart and purpose of each breed.<br />
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That is the reason breeders are so passionate about their breed and its standard. We must never stray far from the original purpose of the creation of the dog. REGARDLESS of if today's society still uses the dog for that purpose or not the dog still must be structurally sound of mind, body and temperament. <br />
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Perhaps part of the reason we have misunderstood this important aspect of any breed is because the conformation ring is just that ............conformation (underlying structure and soundness) of any breed.<br />
We all certainly love and are thrilled as we watch each breed - groomed to perfection move around the ring and show off the best of its breed. <br />
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If we did not have a written standard to follow then what would happen to breeds??? Correct size for optimum purpose - everyone certainly agrees that to breed oversized dogs is detrimental to over all sound structure - the standard guide us and helps us stay within that standard size.<br />
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To say it is just a beauty pageant and then complain about some other aspect that you feel is not right does not make sense. All is important ...All is vital to breeding dogs that are true and correct. The next time you<br />
hear it is just a "beauty pageant" ask them how many dogs they have bred that meet any standard???? Ask them how many dogs they have bred that have succeed in any venue??? Shocking you will usually hear NONE. Don't fall into the trap of moaning, griping and complaining by those who are arm chair quarter backs and lack real drive and passion. They are a part of the destruction of any breed not a part of the solution. Let's get involved, Lets' breed better dogs, Let's get a solid understanding of each and every part of the structure of the dog and its purpose. It is a beauty pageant to end all beauty pageants and it is a vital part of what takes us soundly to the next generation.<br />
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Just when I think we might be making headway on educating folks someone comes along who has a new Doberman puppy who is out of control. So they contacted a trainer who asked a lot of questions and during the discussion discovered that the puppy is from an albino Z factored breeding. GAG GAG GAG<br />
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The trainer must have Dobermans because she knew way too much about the problems with the albino gene pool and ended up ticking the person off so she is blaming everything on the trainer. First time she mentioned the puppy was z factored. She then goes on to admit that the puppy was wormy, malnourished, dull coat and sickly when she got her and the breeder no longer responds to her gripes, but she is not complaining. Wonder WHY???? But is ticked off at the trainer for trying to educate her.<br />
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So some get all mad at the horrible trainer for being so rude - RUDE to try to educate the person on the problems with the albino gene pool ---RUDE to care about the quality of the dogs being bred.................<br />
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As the story unfolds the person is 23 has 3 kids and cusses worse than a sailor but she is going to breed because all humans want to experience a baby (how about 3 in a row) and so she wants her z factored dog<br />
to experience it too.....I understand immaturity but immaturity and stupidity and pumping out children like rabbits .........no wonder she can't take care of the dog and find time to train.<br />
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Good breeders are bashed daily yet someone like this get sympathy and support ....What is wrong with this picture??? Ask APHIS..they are going to put the good breeders out of business so that these low lifes can continue on. WAY TO GO APHIS and USDA about as smart as this person. Will the stupidity ever end or will the insane rule???Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-19999659104287096472013-07-21T09:49:00.002-07:002013-07-21T09:49:31.636-07:00UNCROPPED, UNDOCKED = UNDONE AND UNAMERICAN<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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A couple weeks ago I was in a discussion with a vet who does not crop her dobermans. While she has nice dogs it is very obvious that she has taken a stand on the side of the AR agenda because that IS their agenda. BAN ALL cropped and docked breeds.<br />
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So as I was considering this I made the statement that Uncropped, Undocked is UNDONE and UNAmerican. Her response was that my "home grown idear" is a self destruct agenda. If you could only read her writing you would be very shocked to know that she has been placed in charge of the DPCA crop and dock committee.<br />
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The breed ring is the beauty pageant for the purebred dog world. Just watch Westminster or the Eukunaba National - it is a black tie affair all the way with judges in long gowns and tuxs. Since uncropped is a deviation to the standard, to be penalized accordingly, why would you even want to send your dog into the ring knowing everyone will be fully dressed and your dog will be undone or dressed down???<br />
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While we have the choice, those who are in the limelight, the leaders should support the standard and help us protect our rights. Every uncropped dog shown says the standard is not important and it then become acceptable and considered normal - then it is BANNED forever and you will no longer see the "look of eagles" that has gone a long way in making this dog what it is today. Otherwise who among you would have been attracted to another hound dog look??? That is not to insult the hound group - I personally think they have their own kind of beauty and it is their standard. But the Doberman is in the working group not the hound group and the c/d definitely sets them apart and IMHO above the hound look for our breed.<br />
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If you really want a laugh you might enjoy this reading <a href="http://www.ehow.com/about_6697115_cropped-vs_-uncropped-dog-ears.html">http://www.ehow.com/about_6697115_cropped-vs_-uncropped-dog-ears.html</a><br />
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Some of the things I found humorous:<br />
(Quote) <span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">For example, Doberman pinschers are known for their cropped ears and docked tails, which give them a more alert, intimidating appearance.</span><br />
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They go on to admit that many prefer the cropped ear as it can pinpoint sound within 5% or its origin whereas the uncropped can pinpoint within 20%.. If someone is sneaking up on you that just might be an important 15% difference.<br />
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(Quote)<span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">The American Veterinary Medical Association resolves this disagreement by stating that, while ears that droop abnormally increase the risk of ear infections, there is not yet any evidence to support the claim that cropped ears lower the risk.</span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> </span><br />
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Ok folks I am from Arkansas - I am down home and home grown. BUT that does not mean I just fell off the turnip truck yesterday. Therefore, I must ask what is meant when the Brilliant AVMA resolves the issue by saying while dropped ears abnormally increase the risk of infections there is NO EVIDENCE to support the claim that cropped ears are lower risk. WHAT???? If dropped ears have an abnormal increase then doesn't that automatically mean that the opposite would improve the odds or DECREASE the odds???? HELLO??????? Is anyone listening???<br />
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Can you see why it is so critical that DPCA stand up for the standard and put people in charge who are not politically blinded to their AR agenda. Brainwashed by the AVMA who tried to stop vets from cropping a couple years ago but received enough flak they had to retract it for now. THEY are teaching the AR agenda in vet schools so the next time you want to find a good cropping vet what do you think your chances will be with the new brain washed vets coming out of school knowing more about political agendas than good vet care???<br />
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Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-72077968773560109962013-07-16T07:36:00.001-07:002013-07-16T07:36:29.116-07:00THE MATTER OF CHOICE?I can't believe that you would disregard the slate of nominees that truly <br />
supports and promotes the working heritage of our breed in favor of a group<br />
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I was asked this question the other day and this was my response on what I follow to the best<br />
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Anomoyus - believe you me in my wildest dreams I never thought I would have to be pulled two very different distinct directions and I am honestly not real happy with either.? Both clubs have very outdated and incorrect APM and we struggle to hold trials or shows when no one knows what the real rules are. This is obviously a major problem for BOTH clubs. I am even sadder to see one club so openly accept, promote and stand up for the UN cropped and UN docked and if we are not very careful it is spreading and infecting this one too??? But for me it comes down to just a couple of very big things I can't move past.<br />
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1. Lies, spin, slice and dice and just downright dishonestly of the leaders of this group - NO communication with a large part of the DPCA membership speaks volumes to me. Had they communicated on BOTH list I might have felt better that they cared more about the Doberman Pinscher than just winning at all cost. I do not consider sending your lackeys to cross post communiicaton........ But if you support someone who has promoted division, told out and out lies to try to destroy someone just because they did not approve of them, in my book is not the ones I want to follow. Our dogs deserve better and we can do better.<br />
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The daily shredding and hounding of some candidates is beyond reason and all common decency. If you do not see that then you have drank too much of the kool aid being handed out.? Or maybe you approve - I don't.<br />
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I have sent e mails to the board and at best get an automated NON response response..............<br />
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2. The obvious very strong AR leanings on the crop / dock issue.? You will not win a fight by joining the opposition and / or trying to appease them with high handed educated political spin. It has been made clear that some of this slate believe strongly we have already lost thebattle and that they chose to just go ahead and side with them.<br />
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Otherwise can you tell me how you strongly support something you yourself do not do????? Just how does that work????? <br />
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The members who do not disagree with the NC slate have been all but burned at the stake for our beliefs ............<br />
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As you know I am for working our dogs and we have venues to do that should we choose. I chose UDC because it supported dobermans and according to the COE it chose the American Doberman Pinscher standard to follow. It does not say we follow the Euros into extinction by promoting their way of thinking and handing them the c/d issue on a silver platter.<br />
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While they tell you they are for choice just read their words - Little froggies swimming blindly into extinction -and that statement was made by a vet who is HEAD of the crop/dock committee. Do you read???<br />
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Posting articles that our dogs can't track as well because the ears help them?? - well go read some of the tracking scores and see how much the ears helped,<br />
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they can't poop correctly because of docking - clean up my poop here and tell me they have problems with it.<br />
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If they are for it then they would help with reasons for us to keep it NOT reasons why it is going out of style. Wouldn't you agree?????? If they support it then they would not post reasons why it is wrong. Does that make sense????? HELLO?????<br />
Can you understand my concern???? I not only read their words butI look to their actions. Guess what, the two don't match. Actions speak louder than words. <br />
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I am for the Doberman Pinscher and the Standard. If we loose the standard then the doberman will become extinct... the doberman took the world by storm FIRST because of its looks and then its temperament. All the temperament in the world would not have drawn so much attention as it would look just like any large # of hound dogs. The looks combined with its noble attitude took peoples breath away long before they got to intimately know their wonderful temperament - alert, watchful, faithful, loyal, noble carriage accentuated by cropped ears and docked tail.<br />
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THAT is as much a part of our heritage as all the rest. To disregard that is to show little respect for any of it in truth. if you have read my messages on any or all list my message has not changed. I am for the standard right down to my toes. We don't need choice - we need breeders who stand by the standard, support that standard and who crop and dock their puppies BECAUSE IT IS THE STANDARD.<br />
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Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-59888118972179886172013-06-28T06:46:00.001-07:002013-06-28T06:46:12.537-07:00The Snake Has Spoken - One reason dog clubs are in troubleIt is truly amazing what you learn about people from the things the post on social media sites and chat forums. I really saw this in action this past week when the discussion of crop/dock came up. As always it is a very heated discussion to the point the they try to keep us from discussing it at all which to me really says that the snake does not care about standing up for the standard or our breed.<br />
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A Snake is cold, deadly, lethal, cunning, secretive, elusive and strikes without warning. Yep this pretty much describes the way I see some of the people who claim they are for choice, leave their dogs uncropped and now undocked but saying the support OUR choice. Hey WAIT A MINUTE.... it is you who have the choice to break protocol and leave your dog uncropped and worse yet undocked. <br />
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BUT when a discussion comes up in support of our standard they throw out all kinds of arguments but this weeks discussions took the cake. This is what started the discussion which immediately went down hill -<br />
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<a href="http://alexadry.hubpages.com/hub/Studies-Reveal-Tail-Docking-in-Puppies-is-Painful" id="yui_3_7_2_1_1372335768038_5908" rel="nofollow" style="background-color: white; color: #2862c5; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; outline: 0px;" target="_blank">http://alexadry. hubpages. com/hub/Studies- Reveal-Tail- Docking-in-Puppies-is- Painful</a> - They really needed a study for this???? I have personally attended over 200 tail dockings and ear croppings through the years and once bone and muscle passes the butt hole it does not affect anything BEHIND or before it. Dogs don't think like we do so they do not suffer from the mind games that humans play on themselves as they let emotions run wild.<br />
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For example ALL puppies and older dogs I have ever worked with or tried to stack can clamp that tails down tighter than dick's hat band.<br />
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All my dogs have been docked and I have never had a problem with pooping or the anal glands. So I have to ask myself where does this stuff come from ...... STRAIGHT out of the AR propaganda BS.<br />
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I can tell you that 3 day old puppies don't know anything about endorphins - they nurse because it is a very natural STRONG instinct necessary for survival. They do so whether you dock or not. As soon as the procedure is over they snuggle right down and either go back to sleep or they nurse. Trying to equate human emotions and feelings to this is ridiculous as dogs are not humans.<br />
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And thank God last time I checked Humans don't have a tail to dock so that whole analogy is said to only inflame and touch emotions that tend to go out of control very easily. It is not a highly educated statement and is like trying to compare apples to oranges.<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;">.</span><br style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;" /><br /><a href="http://www.anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page_4.htm" id="yui_3_7_2_1_1372335768038_5911" rel="nofollow" style="background-color: white; color: #2862c5; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; outline: 0px;" target="_blank">http://www.anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page_ 4.htm</a><br />
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This second article was even wilder IMHO. And after all the false equations and comparisons they end with this statement..............(quote)but she considered that further research was required before a categorical statement could be made (quote) THEY DON'T KNOW..............they are guessing. <br />
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I chose a cropped docked breed as I don't like tails period. They wave around knocking things off, have gotten slammed in doors and there can be a problem with "Happy Tail" problem where the end of the tail stays continually sore and infected from thumping things all the time as they wag it. I say eliminate the problem.<br />
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But back to my original thought. One of the posters got so mad she asked to be removed so I have to ask if she is for CHOICE then why does she prefer I loose MY choice???? To follow a breed standard is definitely a choice ......There are breeds that are not cropped and docked. But if you know or understand anything about breed clubs or breed standards at all then you must understand that they are what preserves each and every breed and if the standard falls then we will soon loose all purebred dogs.<br />
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Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-18883637308234189172013-06-13T08:09:00.001-07:002013-06-13T09:04:21.976-07:00Are we going to the Dogs OR the Baboons!!<div class="MsoNormal">
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rather have baboon looking dogs than a standard - Sorry but I read that phrase and just could
not resist using it. <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 14.5pt; line-height: 115%;"> We have doberman’s
because we have a standard- it is how we protect and preserve any breed.<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></div>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 14.5pt; line-height: 115%;">Mutts don’t have a standard and that is why you see such variety
even in the same litter. <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></div>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 14.5pt; line-height: 115%;">Ears and tail do not make a dog healthy – good health does<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></div>
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look on the outside of animal or human and guarantee good health.<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="apple-style-span"><span style="color: #fff2cc; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 14.5pt; line-height: 115%;">The question
was asked - how does a "natural ear" dobe take away from the
"standard" Doberman? That is
the easy one to answer – it is a cropped and docked breed and clearly shows
breed type. So it really should be
pretty easy to “get it”. <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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on to say they have owned 3 cropped and docked Dobermans that have medical
issues - hypothyroidism, CVI and Lyme
disease…………..WHOA wait a minute Lime disease is caused by ticks!!! So to throw in something that could even
contribute to other issues is not wise if you want to make a point that
cropping and docking makes dogs sick. </span></span></div>
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are an issue in and of themselves and can’t be judged in the ring or on the
working field. All dogs are healthy
until they show otherwise. We can do all
the test, annual check up and anything else we want but until it shows up it is
hidden somewhere in the DNA. For the
things we have DNA test for then we have a much clearer picture of the future
as it relates to that one particular health concern.<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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was asked – “I want to know what an ear has to do with the life and death of
our dobes? ?” </span></span><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 14.5pt; line-height: 115%;"> Me too.
They have nothing to do with it either way but cropped and docked does
support the breed standard. Once we
loose that standard we will loose all purebred dogs. But every discussion I
have read on this infers that flopped eared dogs live longer and have better
health and add a tail and they are SUPER DOG!!!
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Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-59386280468821500592013-03-15T07:34:00.004-07:002013-03-15T07:34:55.726-07:00So you think it doesn't matter<br />
There is a web site started last year by a large group of TOP doberman
breeders in the country who are very concerned about the direction the world is
going but especially the DPCA.<br />
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It was started prior to the elections in hopes we could educate members on
the importance of the standard and how it is slowly being erroded away - <a href="http://2undoit.com/">http://2undoit.com/</a><br />
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If you have not read it you would certainly find it educational -<br />
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Two major things happened that finally woke folks up to the dangers we face
ahead <br />
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First a rescued albino accidentley got sent an invite to the top twenty -
Albinos were banned from<br />
all DPCA sanctioned events but since all manual updates and revisions are
done by volunteers it got<br />
lost in the shuffle.<br />
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Then the DPCA board instead of handling it internally went to AKC asking for
a ruling and of course AKC who has absolutely NOTHING to do with our standard
and DPCA events said no and the board caved. Heck they wanted to splash
pictures all over the DPCA web site like it was a wonderful first time event.
The sad thing is the dog did not win the top 20 she placed but the pictures
that they wanted to splash on the web site would have made a loud and clear
message that we approved of it.<br />
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The beautiful AKC Champion dog that actually won the entire year was
forgotten.<br />
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It was pretty sad - we worked hard to stop the damage but once out of the
bag the damage is done.<br />
The albino greeders immediately posted on just how great the albino is and
what a great accomplishment. Heck they will probably be selling albinos off
that one picture for years to come.<br />
That one picture will haunt us for years to come.<br />
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Albinos have been a plague since the late 1970's and in the 90's the big
fight with AKC took place so anyone who has been around Dobermans since then
certainly had to be aware of them. JQP probably not so much because they
usually just wake up one day and decide they want a doberman.<br />
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But if you show pictures and don't speak up the problem is JQP thinks they
are OK. It is like being between a rock and a hard place. Unless of course,
you believe in the breed standard and are willing to fight to uphold it. People
see a picture - think wow that is different and suddenly want it.<br />
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It has nothing to do with being nice it has to do with fighting for the
promotion of good breeding practices and when we appear to accept wrong we send
that message loud and clear that it is not that important. People don't stop
and read about the problems with them and the albino folks got real smart and
advertise them as "white" which is a color on the AKC color chart but it is not
an approved Doberman color---- they are albino. <br />
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The second picture at the top of the page is the puppy at UDC Natls last year
presented with flopped ears and tails from one of the top breeders who has
bought into the Euro fad of let's loose our right and lets put our breed at
risk.<br />
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When we sit back and do not speak up about these wrongs then they become the
norm and soon the Doberman is no more.<br />
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I seriously doubt that anyone would think roached backs and terrible
conformation is a good thing in a purebred dog but that is the problem -------I
doubt anyone says wow I want one just like that.<br />
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We can be nice to everyone or we can stand up for a standard. I am very
clear on where I stand. I am sorry I don't like to hurt anyone feelings and
work very hard to be understanding but sometimes we make our bed and then we
have to lie in it. <br />
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We talk about education but what good does education do if we would rather be
nice than honest and correct? It is not that anyone is attacked but we must
state facts or people get misled. It is a very hard place to be in and today it
seems folks would much rather be nice than stand up for our dogs and their
standard.<br />
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I tell you had the original Doberman been left uncropped and undocked I doubt
that they would have ever attracted such a large following and might have fallen
into extinction early on. Just one more hound looking dog. Why do we want to
go down a road that destroys the very standard that made our dogs possible???
If you go back and read the early founders of the breed here in America they
spoke out about the importance of cropped and docked. They were visionary or
they realized the problems with the parts of Europe that had already banned it
and they did not want it to happen here.<br />
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There is a country song - You either stand for something or you fall for
anything. It is happening today people don't want to stand up for right - <br />
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We must stand for our standard and we must speak up about the things that are
wrong. Somedays it feels like you fight alone and people sure don't seem to
mind hurting your feelings and hurting our breed but don't want to speak out
when something is wrong. Sorry I don't get it.<br />
Dobs4ever<br />
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Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-34947126660333990702012-12-16T07:18:00.001-08:002012-12-16T07:18:15.019-08:00Is Registration Important - What registration is best<br />
Around the world of the purebred dog that is much talk and discussion on
registration. It is part of the foundation that makes our Doberman
possible.<br />
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While AKC registration and pedigree does not guarantee the quality of the
dog, certainly a lack of one indicates negligence on the part of the breeder
as they did not care enough to even try to get quality to start with.<br />
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Starting here in American we have AKC - American Kennel Club that is the only
official registry that means anything in America -<br />
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1. It is the oldest registry dating back to 1884. It was established as a
way for breeders to verify and track the dogs they bred and to assure their
bloodlines and show off their breeding stock. Breeders had kept meticulous
records up to this point of what they bred but communication was not what it is
today so many of those records died with the breeder.<br />
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2. Without a registry it would be impossible to know parentage, or linage
and track and follow what it produces. AKC developed, maintains and set the
gold standard for purebred dogs in America.<br />
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3. AKC sets Show schedules, history, breed, and holds all breed
standards.<br />
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4. AKC set the rules and guidelines for a breed to become eligible for
registration with AKC<br />
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5. AKC has member clubs across the states to promote and hold dog shows and
events under the AKC umbrella.<br />
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The purebred dog fancy is all about pride of accomplishment and AKC
registraton - Breeding always to better the breed that is our passion.<br />
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FCI - established in 1911 maintains Show schedules, history, breed in Europe
and had 86 members countries who reg dogs under the FCI guidelines. <br />
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CKC - Canadian Kennel Club - is the approved club in Canada for registering
and showing dog.<br />
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Kennel Club of G B - is the approved club in England<br />
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Australian Kennel Club - approved in Australia<br />
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These clubs share a common bond and have a reciprical reg agreement. In
other words a dog that is AKC reg automatically qualifies to be reg in any of
the above registries and vice versa. <br />
This is crucial when considering importing.<br />
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What I call sub registries:<br />
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UKC - United kennel Club - again a long standing club that was primarily
designed for the sporting dogs to hold field trials. They do have their own
registry and if you dogs line is registred with them - the like AKC puppies can
be UKC registered. It does not mean that they will qualify for AKC registration
however. But UKC has a strong reputation for setting standards and guidelines.
AKC dogs can qualify for UKC registration but UKC reg dogs do not qualify for
reg in AKC. <br />
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UDC - United Doberman Club - founded in 1990 when AKC and the DPCA did away
with the working dog sports - some DPCA breeders broke away and formed the UDC.
They require any dog that participates in their venues to be either AKC, FCI or
one of the above approved reg. <br />
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IABCA - International All Breed Kennel Club - is not actually a club as it
does not have member clubs. It was started here over 25 years ago and until
just a couple years ago held shows under the guidance and rules of Union
Cynologie International which conducts shows with Euro style of judging. This
is a German Based organization with ties to dog organizations around the world.
A dog must be reg through one of the approved registries to qualify to show in
this venue.<br />
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In the past few years there are some very unscrupulous clubs that have popped
up as a way for people who made a big mistake and got an unregistered dog to reg
their dog. Their biggest failing is they do not require valid registration from
any of the above clubs to become reg in their registry. Send money and a
picture and if your dog somewhat resembles the breed you are trying to reg - it
is reg. It is a meaningless registration because they are not recognized by any
of the official registeries.<br />
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Reputable breeders who breed to improve the breed would never have one of
their dogs reg with one of these registeries. If you care about a breed, want
to breed the best, and work to improve the breed then you certainly want to
start with a registry that is approved and recognized around the world because
of its long standing history and integrity. <br />
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How could anyone be reputable if they breed dogs that meet no standard, are
not recognized by the parent club such as DPCA and are usually of very poor
quality and conformation? If anything goes then why not get a mutt??? If
quality does not matter to anyone why even try to claim a dog is a certain breed
when it lacks approved registration?<br />
<br />
All dogs carrying these registries are from BYB. <br />
<br />
Some of those fly by night cubs are CKC - very clever scam artist to come up
with a name that mimicks the CKC - Canadian Kennel Club which is a reputable
club.<br />
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NKC - Natioanl Kennel Club<br />
APR - American Pet Registry<br />
APRI- American Pet Registry Inc<br />
WWKC- World Wide Kennel Club<br />
Dog Registry of America<br />
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I am sure there are others but I hope you get the idea. If you want to claim
a slim hope of having quality then I am sure you would want to start with the
Registration of the dog. Any breeder breeding less than the best is surely in
it for the money and I can't tell you how often I have had someone call me and
the first thing they want to know is are the dogs AKC reg. This tell me some
one got scammed along the way by buying a dog from and unscrupulous registry and
then finding out they could not do anything with it. <br />
Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-48852177511675011462012-07-22T07:18:00.000-07:002012-07-22T07:18:04.061-07:00How to become a breed and the importance of a breed standard<br />
Due to all the misunderstanding of my strong stance on the Doberman Pinscher
as cropped and docked breed I want to post some of the info on how a dog becomes
a recognized breed in AKC in the hopes that it would help everyone understand
how important a Breed standard is to any breed. <br />
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At this time AKC recognizes approximately 175 breeds as PUREBRED. The road
is a long one to achieve this most important status. While there are over 400
breeds recognized around the world in different breed clubs I want to just
address AKC registration which does recognize certain approved outside
registeries as acceptable for AKC registration.<br />
<br />
Most people today want AKC registration - WHY? It set the standard for
purebred in the USA for each breed by requiring certain guidelines before
registering a dog as AKC registered.<br />
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Seems to me if we want that registration to valid our dog we would want our
dogs to follow the guidelines. Believe you me out in public I have seen some
pretty ugly Dobermans bred by BYB - roached, low tail set (which means the croup
is not correct), snipey heads, cow hocked etc. Why AKC reg does not guarantee
any of these things the breeders who support their particlular breed and who
show in order to maintain a breed standard hold themselves to a higher plane
than just AKC reg - we support all that AKC stands for - The protection of the
breed and to strive to meet the recognized breed standard as required for AKC
registration as a purebred dog.<br />
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The first thing a breed has to do to be able to apply for registraton is to
have a BREED STANDARD. It is not at the whim of anyone and everyone to do their
own thing. The Natioanl breed club is responsible for writing the standard and
then maintaining that standard - and this is where the breeder really picks up
the sword and goes to battle - We pour blood sweat and tears in our programs as
we try to produce the "Ideal" of our standard. We have done this for hundreds
of years without government intervention. We brought about dog shows to
showcase our efforts and to promote our breed.<br />
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Without the strigent requirements for registration and the breed standards to
point the way there would be no purebred dogs. You can't honestly have it your
want and maintain the purebred dog. It just doesn't fit as the minute you throw
out one part of the standard then the rest becomes far less important and that
is exactly what PETA and HSUS are hoping we do - by eliminating the right to
crop and dock our breed they have undermined the standard and the entire purpose
of the dog fancy. If the AR groups succeed in getting our standard changed then they just took a giant step forward in eliminating the purebred dog world. Don't be fooled - it is not about c/d.<br />
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I hope by reading the requirements to become a recognized Purebred dog you will have a better understanding the of part the Breed standard plays and why it is so important to maintain those standards as set down in the beginning. We must not allow the AR groups to influence the government and destroy any breed. <br />
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The breed clubs in other countries changed their standard and now they have Dog Wardens who are the "guardians" of dog breed. Their system has become very political and riddled with unscrupulous individuals who care little for any standard. A system that allows breeders to work freely to pursue the art of purebred dogs is the best system to uphold what we have today. While it might not be perfect is it far superior to having someone dictate to you what you can or can't do. <br />
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This info is from the AKC web site http://akc.org<br />
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What Does it Take to be an AKC Registered Breed?<br />
<br />Facts and Stats<br />
The American Kennel Club, founded in 1884, maintains the largest registry of
purebred dogs in the world, and currently registers 164 breeds, representing a
wide variety of sizes, colors, coats, temperaments and heritages. The Bluetick
Coonhound, Boykin Spaniel and Redbone Coonhound are the newest breeds, accepted
December 30, 2009. The next breeds in line for full recognition by AKC are the
Icelandic Sheepdog, Cane Corso and Leonberger. The three will be eligible for
AKC registration on June 1, 2010 and for competition in the Herding and Working
Groups on June 30, 2010.<br />
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A dog that has full registration with the AKC is eligible to participate in
many of the more than 20,000 events offered by the AKC and its affiliated clubs
each year (some events are breed-specific).<br />
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Internationally, there are approximately 400 breeds that are listed with
registry organizations in other countries. The AKC, however, does not register
all of these breeds, either because there are too few dogs (of that breed) in
this country or there is too little interest among owners of these breeds to
obtain AKC registered status. Because the AKC is a "club of clubs," owners of a
particular breed, wishing to have that breed registered, must establish an
organized National Breed Club.<br />AKC Foundation Stock Service<br />
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Breeds that wish to begin the road to full AKC recognition must be recorded
with an accepted registry (maintained by the national breed club or the optional
AKC Foundation Stock Service). The AKC Foundation Stock Service (FSS) is the
AKC's recording service for purebred breeds that are not yet eligible for AKC
registration. Currently, there are 65 breeds in the FSS, but acceptance into the
program does not ultimately guarantee full AKC registration.<br />
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To be considered for listing as an FSS breed, the Breed Club must send in a
written request, along with additional documentation such as a written history
and a written breed standard. Photographs are also required at the time of
application. Once all information is presented to the Staff Executive Committee,
a decision is made to allow or deny each request.<br />
<br />Miscellaneous Class<br />
<br />
The recognition process begins with a written request to compete in the
Miscellaneous Class from the National Breed Club. To be eligible for
consideration to become an AKC recognized breed, the following general criteria
must be met:<br />
<br />A demonstrated following and interest (minimum of 100 active household
members) in the breed (in the form of a National Breed Club).<br />
<br />A sufficient population in this country (minimum of 300-400 dogs), with a
three-generation pedigree. Dogs in that pedigree must all be of the same
breed.<br />
<br />Geographic distribution of the dogs and people (located in 20 or more
states).<br />
<br />AKC must review and approve the club's breed standard as well as the
club's constitution and by-laws. Breed observations must be completed by AKC
Field Staff.<br />
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If a substantial nationwide interest and activity in the breed is
demonstrated and the above criteria met, the information is presented to the AKC
Board of Directors for consideration to compete in the Miscellaneous Class. <br />
<br />
Eleven breeds are currently eligible to compete in the Miscellaneous Class:
American English Foxhound, Cane Corso, Cesky Terrier, Entlebucher Mountain Dog,
Finnish Lapphund, Icelandic Sheepdog, Leonberger, Norwegian Lundehund, Russell
Terrier, Treeing Walker Coonhound, Xoloitzcuintli<br />
<br />Moving from Miscellaneous Class to Full AKC Registration<br />
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While there is no established "quota" or timetable for adding new breeds,
dogs typically compete in the Miscellaneous Class for one to three years. At the
end of the first year, AKC contacts the National Breed Club for updates on the
number of dogs and litters recorded, and the number of dogs who have entered
events since being eligible to compete in the Miscellaneous Class. Finally, the
club must have held matches, local and national breed specialty shows, judges'
workshops and breed seminars.<br />
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When all criteria are met, the information is presented to the Board of
Directors for full recognition. <a href="http://www.akc.org/press_center/facts_stats.cfm?page=8">http://www.akc.org/press_center/facts_stats.cfm?page=8</a><br />Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-87836034451774122602012-05-20T07:34:00.001-07:002012-05-21T16:36:20.449-07:00UP with designer dogs down with Breed StandardsI sit here sadly shaking my head as we come closer and closer to the fall of breed standards around the world. It also amazes me that most of the people who feel it does not matter are not breeders, have never shown a dog in anything, do not understand the importance of breed standards and apparently don't even realize that the reason they love the Doberman is because for over 100 years breeders have presented the dog at it most noble appearance (after all we all LOVE beauty) and a cropped and docked doberman is certainly breath taking. I guarantee you if they were drawn to the hound look they would have chosen a hound breed. Looks matter.<br />
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But if the standard falls then Designer Dogs will rule at best - the dog fancy will fall, no dog shows, won't need a lot of fancy dog equipment, won't have any clue as to what the dog will look like when it grows up and will not have a clue as to what might be lurking in the temperament. Can't follow the history of the pedigree because who keeps detailed records of mutts???<br />
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I was told the other day that NO ONE owns a look!! NOT me and not Herr Dobermann. Has our world really become that dumb about what a purebred dog is about??? Do we really believe that we want and can have a specific breed if there is not standard that stands??? <br />
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While PETA and HSUS have convinced a large part of the world that cropping and docking should be banned their ultimate purpose goes far deeper than that. <br />
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I look at Crufts - the oldest dogs show and ask who the heck is in charge - certainly not people who love purebred dogs. and JQP is so uneducated about dog breeding as to think there are no consequences to these drastic changes. They told me that in the same breath that they were complaining about the long wait they were having to get their new puppy imported in because they wanted a c/d puppy and wanted to show in a country that does not allow c/d and bans them from showing. UNEDUCATED yet telling me I don't own a look. <br />
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Well your are right I don't OWN much of anything anymore- The government keeps eating away at our freedoms. But breed clubs do and should own their breed standard as that is what purebred is all about. The dog fancy has promoted it and upheld it for years until the term 'politically" correct became the new buzz word for spin it and lie and then once you have confused and misled everyone go ahead and do what you wanted to do anyway.<br />
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Think about these consequences: Crufts - has specific qualifications for dogs to meet in order to qualify as "good enough" to be invited to show at Crufts - BUT IF your dog is c/d it is then disqualified. Way to go guys really smart thinking.<br />
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Consequences: Has this or will it affect quality of the dogs being shown in this limited and restrictive venue??? I say yes as half the countries in the world can't send there best there to show because they are banned for trying to uphold their breed standard.<br />
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Consequences: Will it have other far reaching affects - as quality goes down due to the shrinking gene pool to show from will health become more an issue as recessive genes begin compound so the breed in a limiting country will become more health ridden. The very thing by the way they claim to be trying to eliminate.<br />
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Consequences: Long unhealthy quarantines required for anyone wanting to import a puppy from a country that still allows freedom. <br />
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Consequences: Then end of purebred dogs - Do designer mutts rule??? I say NO!<br />
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Dobs4ever - Dogs Under Fire<br />
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<b>QUESTION: </b> Ive been taking my dog for his daily walks to a local park, its a good size
with a lake to walk round and childrens playing area, all round a nice place to
go.<br />
Anyway, walking my dog on his longish line, hes been
getting 'warned' by other dogs, almost bitten at times (he then flings himself
backwards save getting caught) & I have no idea why. Hes actually started to
react himself a little bit with the odd dog which I of course have been
correcting with a firm <b>NO!</b> and a leash pop. <br />
Why is this happening??
its getting me worried. I let him approach the dogs so he can say his 'hellos'
and 90% of them have been offlead this is why?? I let him go to them figuring they
must be somewhat friendly, Dogs on lead I check with owners first. And these
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Socializing with other dogs in my honest opinion is a totally misunderstood concept. First and foremost with Doberman's, which are known for some dog aggression, I don't care if they play well with all the dogs in the neighborhood. In fact I would personally prefer that my neighbors keep their dogs in their yard as I will mine. But none the less today we do have dog parks - another bad idea for dominant breed dogs and certainly for any intact dog.<br />
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So to answer the questions as posed above - a dog on leash is conceived as weak and therefore, becomes a target. If you allow your dog to approach the other dog you are invading his space. Dogs as well as people do not all like others invading their personal space. To prevent this happening reel your dog in when you see another dog approach and stomp your foot as you point your arm and say no back off. This will show your dog you are in control so no need for him to react and it tells the other dogs you don't need their help.. His job is to focus on you and continue walking. Move calmly away. If you are not comfortable with this then carry a big walking stick.<br />
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Dogs running loose are a big problem. Most attack stories we read about are because dogs were allowed to roam or run loose. Dogs should always be under control whether at home in your yard or in a public area. Intact dogs running loose is asking for a dog fight.<br />
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I prefer my dogs play well at home with pack members but it is always supervised play. I don't really care if they run and play with your dog. They should be safe and manageable on lead if I approach someone with another dog on lead. They should sit calmly and not approach the other dog at all. That is about as social as I care for them to be. If we are friends and you come over with you dog and we agree that under supervised conditions we will allow them to play together that is fine. But I do not ever subject them to public free for all's. Way too many untrained and unsocialized dogs and some real stupid peopl for me to have faith in that kind of program..<br />
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So socializing my dogs with other dogs is not a big part of my program. To me it means we attend classes with dogs on leash and my dog learns how to properly behave in those situations. When we go to dog shows I expect the dog to stay with me and not pay attention to other dogs. So it is important that the dog not see all dogs a potential playmates because that can get everyone in trouble.<br />
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Keep your dog on leash, under control displaying good manners. Do not allow a dog to approach other dogs except in controlled situations. Dogs like people do not like anyone to just invade their space. <span data-mce-style="font-size: medium;">Could be why they are called MAN's BEST FRIEND NOT DOGS BEST
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Crufts obviously thinks it has taken a major step forward in moving pedigreed dogs to a better place BUT HAVE they???<br />
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First you can't always see genetics with the naked eye. Most serious diseases that plague all animals and humans are usually no known until they appear or rear their ugly head sometime during the lifespan. It is precious few we have an absolute DNA test for whereby we can eliminated it over time from a gene pool.<br />
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So whose kidding who??? A ring side vet check in no way can determine the health of a dog. If it would then we can eliminate all the costly health testing test we do and just run our dog up to the local vet and have him look in the eyes, listen to the heart and lungs and say all looks good. It is a bandaid at best. That is why vets promote annual vet checks - things come up.<br />
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But to DQ a dog for possible razor burns - What does that have to do with genetics, improving the quality of dogs showing, improve the dogs being selected for breeding or is it a ploy by the AR groups to once again hoodwink them into believing all breeders are bad and all purebred dogs are bad???<br />
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It is not secret to the outside world that the AR groups have heavily influenced and infiltrated the dog world in Europe and that they were successful in banning cropping and docking over 20 years ago. Perhaps they made better progress over there because they are not as well informed and educated over there - Honestly I don't know.<br />
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But I know this is nothing but a witch hunt and personally I think Crufts has a lot of egg on their face.<br />
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<br />Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-9717015997579053972012-03-03T09:46:00.000-08:002012-03-03T09:46:53.895-08:00Dog Show Fancy - Sport or CultThe other day someone who just bought a pet from a BYB made the comment about dogs show people being a cult. Let's look at the definition of "cult"<br />
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I say if the shoe fits then wear it - We are definitely a group bound together by veneration of something, an ideal - that centers around the sacred standard of the Doberman Pinscher and the standard describes our "Ideal". </div>
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Dog showing is both a sport and a cult - just as football enthusiast are nuts about their teams and have games and tailgating to promote and enjoy their sport so does the dog show fancy have events, trails and shows to celebrate our accomplishments. </div>
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This make the very nature of the BYB an insult to all that has gone before. With no effort, no desire to produce the best, no understanding of the needs of the dogs they enjoy the freedom to breed less than stellar dogs and then when things go wrong they blame all breeders. <br />
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The very nature of the purebred dog world sets it apart from the heinz 57 variety of dog that just breeds at will in the streets where they are allowed to roam. Purebred dogs are special by design and purpose. If you don't want to joint the "cult" then don't breed.</div>
</div>Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-4843707226563877832012-03-03T09:41:00.002-08:002012-03-03T09:41:39.394-08:00THE PURPOSE OF SHOWINGI was ina very interesting discussion on a chat list this week regarding the show ring - It seems to me that those who are not involved and do no show have very strong opinions on what it is all about and they miss the mark by a wide margin. It is a very involved and intense competition to say the least.<br />
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I have to wonder if these people have been rejected when attending a show or because they have poor quality dogs feel they need to strike out at all the things wrong with our sport. So I am going to try to shed some light on a very heated subject -<br />
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YES - it is a very closed society and as we read earlier can be considered to be very cult like by some. But if you have no interest in pure bred dogs then it would seemed closed to you. I don't care about motorcycles or motorcycle gangs but the people who love them love them with a passion. They have get togethers, travel around the country together but it is not for me so I don't worry about what they do unless it breaks the law in some way.<br />
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But people who do not show seem really vindictive over the whole show ring program. We hear that it is too political, too snobby, too closed minded, only handlers win and half the dogs that are champions do not deserve it. Is it any wonder people don't like us???<br />
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Personally I don't think anyone has a right to critize something they have never done. It is way too easy to misunderstand half of what is going on. We just finished watching Westminister and already rumors are flying about the peke that won. It is easy to sit in an arm chair and judge. In the ring is a whole different matter and we only have a one sided view . It would be nice to put on these special glasses and see a 3 D and life like.<br />
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For those who don't like showing or the "politics" my suggestions is don't do it. No one forces anyone to show. It is a sport some enjoy it some don't but for breeders it is an invaluable tool.Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-1049307583292896132012-02-11T14:13:00.000-08:002012-02-11T14:14:43.953-08:00A Tale of Ears and Tails by Avi Marshak<ol class="messageList" id="messageList"><li class="message " data-author="iceman" id="post-219540"><div class="messageInfo primaryContent"><div class="messageContent"><br />
<article> I came across this article and found it very interesting on the subject of cropping and docking. Many things are deeply rooted in our past and it appears that this might be another one. I don't know how many remember the good old days anymore but many of the sayings and knowledge we have today is because way back in the early beginnings it did have a purpose. </article><article><br />
</article><article>I want to thank Dobermann Review for preserving and making this article available for us.<br />
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It appears that cropping and docking might have been one of these. Today the AR groups want to scream that it is all about looks - the cosmetic and I am quite sure that vets have sold us out. Why would they do that?? - well they could it be that they make a lot more money when they have to do an emergency tail amputation due to injury.that what they make from docking a 4 day old puppy to help prevent the injury. <br />
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No on can claim it a terrible ear crop if it was forced on them due to injury - they can only work with what is remaining so beauty certainly would not apply. Today's vets have run a muck and run scared but I fail to see how you can claim one surgery illegal while allowing others. Read the article and see what you learn from it.<br />
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<blockquote class="messageText ugc baseHtml"><div style="text-align: center;"><b>A good article written by Avi Marshak </b></div><div style="text-align: center;"><b>(FCI International, all breeds & Dobermann specialist dog judge)</b></div><div style="text-align: center;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;"><b>Tale of Ears and Tails - The Future of the Past, by Avi Marshak</b></div><div style="text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;"><i>The aim of this article is to try to cover as maney aspects as possible which rise from the prohibition against showing cropped & docked Dobermnns in many countries around the world. To explore the past, to deal with the present and to try to foresee the future of our beloved breed, the Dobermann. It is funny to think that the future of our breed maybe lies between the two edges of the dog; the ear and the tail. </i></div><div style="text-align: left;"><b>EARS</b></div><div style="text-align: left;">In our collective memory, we have and we shall have forever the mental image of a cropped and docked Dobermann. Even Dobermann clubs from countries that outlawed cropping such as Norway and Finland have on their clubs badges the image of a cropped Dobermann, interesting isn't it?</div><div style="text-align: left;">Let us look back at the "good old days" when we had the freedom to crop anything that could be cropped.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;">Ear cropping began centuries ago as a preventive measure because in those times, there were no antibiotics for infections or anesthesias, and no veterinary surgeons to repair cuts, wounds and infections. The practical dog breeders learned to remove those portions of a puppy's anatomy that had the tendency of tearing: they cropped ears, docked tails, and removed dewclaws. Looking at the photos of the early-cropped breeds we can see that all early ear crops were short and crude. Today thank to the modern medicine, cropped ears are longer and it is very easy to crop but still it required the hand of the expert, for ears cropping is varied from one breed to another. In the F.C.I. list of purebred dogs there are more than 100 breeds that are customary cropped. Those who oppose the ear cropping claim that it is pure cosmetic surgery and it has nothing to do with the dog health. Now let us try to answer the "one million dollars question" that people always ask and probably will ask in the future: why are Dobermann ears cropped?</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;">Well, I believe that Louis Dobermann the founder of the breed and many other early breeders had the vision of breed with standing natural ears. If you cannot get natural standing ears, the aim justifies the means; you achieve your desired goal by cropping. So they created a Dobermann with cropped ears, ears that prevent infections and in the same time improve the silhouette of the new breed. Cropped ears create an alert expression and menacing appearance that brought the Dobermann more fanciers. So we have learnt that ears cropping was very popular in the early days and the Dobermann was no exception. If we take a look at the Bull Terrier history, a cropped breed that was created for fighting dog sport, once the breeders could get by selecting breeding small erect ears they stopped cropping.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: left;">The late Herman Palmer "Von Furstenfeld" kennel told me many years ago that he played with the idea to cross the Dobermann with the ancient Pharaoh Hound breed (a breed with standing natural ears), and to create a Dobermann with natural standing ears, but as far as I know he has not done it. Countries like England and all the Scandinavian countries have since the early years of the 20th century legislation that prohibits cropping and docking of dogs, this legislation prohibits showing cropped and docked dogs in dog shows as well. Lately Holland joined these countries. Starting 2002, showing cropped and docked dogs in dog shows in Germany will be prohibited. On the other hand an attempt to apply this legislation in Italy was failed. I don't believe that the following countries will join this prohibition: France, Portugal, Russia and rest of new republics in central Europe, and all South America countries.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;"><b>TAILS</b></div><div style="text-align: left;">There are almost 100 breeds that are traditionally docked. Docking is done when the puppies are 4 days old, it has scientifically established, that the nerves in tail are not activated and the puppies feel no pain what so ever. To those people who claim that dog uses his tail for balance and communication, the answer is very simple. Puppies that have been docked have not encountered any problems with balance or communication...</div><div style="text-align: left;">The reason for docking Dobermann is very simple, the Dobermann used to be a police dog and service dog and by docking the tail we, prevented the criminal from grabbing the dog by his tail during action. In his book "The Dobermann Pinscher" 1959 edition, Philipp Groennig disclosed that in the past there were Dobermann that borne with "Bob Tail": natural short tail, however these blood lines lost, for the Dobermann breeders concentrated their breeding efforts to improve the production of deep tan markings.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;"><b>THE LEGAL SITUATION</b></div><div style="text-align: left;">The European Convention for Protection of Pet Animals, that was held in Strasbourg, France in 13.11.1987 calls for the prohibition against docking tails, cropping ears and removal of dew claws, it deals also with many other aspects of keeping and breeding of pet animals. Although it calls for the prohibition against docking and cropping, it specifically recognizes the rights of nations which otherwise accept the Convention, to reserve their position on the issue. Unfortunately, so far many governments ratified these Convention resolutions and the result is prohibition against docking, cropping and showing cropped and docked dogs. In Britain the prestigious Royal College of Veterinary Surgeon decided not to press for Britain to sign up the controversial European Convention for the Protection of Pet Animals. Today Europe and tomorrow?</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;">Any American, Canadian or Australian dog lovers believing they are safe from those seeking to ban tail docking or ears cropping, may be interested to know what their veterinary associations have to say on the matter. In the USA, the Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights opposes to various surgeries done to meet "breed standards". In Canada, the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association also opposes surgical alteration of any animal, for cosmetic purposes. In Australia, the Australian Veterinary Association calls on the states to ban cosmetic operations.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;"><b>THE STANDARD</b></div><div style="text-align: left;">When the "flood" has started, and more countries adopted the anti cropping and docking legislation, the World Kennel Club, F.C.I initiated an elegant wise step to meet the new challenge. The Standard Committee of the F.C.I stating published a circular:</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;"><i>The fact that in more than a hundred breeds ears are either cropped or uncropped and tails docked or left their natural length should no longer influence the judgment at any exhibitions (National, International and World). All shapes should be judged without distinction since the cropping of ears and docking of tails are in some countries legally prohibited. The judgment, however takes into account whether the ears are well-cropped or not, whether the natural shapes and carriage of the ears in accordance with the standard and whether the tails are either correctly docked or the tails correctly carried.</i></div><div style="text-align: left;">This circular is a preliminary step, but it does not solve the many problems and questions that have been raised by the anti-cropping and docking legislation. The F.C.I (Federation Cynological International) or the World Kennel Club Customarily recognizes breed's standard that is recognized by the leading non-organizations (the AKC and the English Kennel Club). Under the F.C.I jurisdiction, only the national club of the country of the origin has the authority to alter the breed standard. The German Dobermann Club (Dobemann-Verein e.v.) - the standard-patron of the Dobermann, is the only organization that authorized to alter the Dobermann standard. Let see what changes have been inserted in the Dobermann standard re-ears and tails. In the 1994 standard under the ears paragraph it is written:</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;"><i>The ear, which is set high, is carried erect and cropped to a length in proportion to the head. In a country where cropping is not permitted the uncropped ear is equally recognized (medium size preferred and with the front edge lying close to the cheeks).</i></div><div style="text-align: left;">Here the standard provides us with reasonable answers in accordance with the spirit of the F.C.I standards committee circular.Re-Tails it is written:</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;"><i>It is high set and docked short whereby approximately two tail vertebrae remain visible. In countries where docking is legally not permitted the tail may remain natural.</i></div><div style="text-align: left;">Here the standard also follows the spirit of the above-mentioned circular, however it does not disclose us any specific details such as: what is natural, what is the desired length of the tail, what is the tail's shape etc. So far so good, the fact that cropped ears and docked tails are not included under the disqualifying fault paragraph gives us some hope for the future.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;">To conclude, let us all hope that docked tails and cropped ears will not be defined by the standard- patron, the German Dobermann Club, as disqualifying faults; this might be a "coup de grace" for the Dobermann breed.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><b>BREEDING</b></div><div style="text-align: left;">If worst comes to worst, we shall have to put extreme efforts in breeding Dobermanns with small ears or we shall search for the natural standing ears. Re-tails, we don't know yet what will be the shape, the length of the tails, shall we breed for the German shepherd type tail? Than we shall look for a long slanted croup, or shall we breed for the curled tail that occurs in two basic varieties: single and double curl over the back, with many variations? It is well known in the breeding field that ounce you try to improve something in the dog you may loose something else, this what happens in the sport of the purebred dogs. As you are already aware of the many problems that lay ahead of us and I have not scratched yet the bottom of the "barrel", let us be optimistic and face the future with a positive hope.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;"><b>JUDGING & JUDGES</b></div><div style="text-align: left;">The fact that in many counties Dobermanns nowadays are being shown uncopped and undocked in the dog shows can affect the judging and the handling methods. Natural ear changes the silhouette of the head; the head appears broader at the base of the skull, and less cone-shaped due to the natural hanging ears. When judging uncropped Dobermann it is easier to see clearly the parallel lines in head while judging a cropped Dobermann, part of the skull between the ears remains invisible in profile because of the cropped ears. The smart professional handler always lifts the natural ears up in order to emphasize the correct shape of skull and the parallel lines, by doing this it improves the expression as well. Being a specialist Dobermann judge and F.C.I. International All Breeds Dog judge let me share with you my judging experiences. My first overseas judging assignment was in South Africa, here most of the handlers lifted the ears in order to enable me to see the real shape of the head, those who did not do so, were requested kindly by me to lift up the ears.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;">So far I have judged many uncroped and undocked Dobermann in the Scandinavian countries, I know exactly what to look for, but maybe the fact of being an All Breed Dog Judge, who uses to various forms of silhouettes ears shapes etc, helps me to absorb the "new version" of the Dobermann silhouette. To absorb the "new version" yes, but this will never change my intimate mental image of the cropped and docked Dobermann with piercing expression that radiates alertness... In one of my Scandinavian show I met an exhibitor who shoved the long tail into his jacket sleeve, but of course he could not run...Training new judges to the breed can be a little complicated for these new judges may get as a matter of course the new image of the Dobermann, and thus they may have the wrong idea of the correct Dobermann head. Whenever I see my "ideal Dobermann" in the ring, or outside, it is like having a "Mental orgasm".</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;"><b>QUO VADIS? </b></div><div style="text-align: left;">The Dobermann had rich and interesting past, but the question is, does he have a future? Does the metamorphosis, that the Dobermann is now undergoing, will affect the popularity of the breed? This is a "one million dollars question"...</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
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</ol>Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647927213687103297.post-70234247621299566052012-02-05T07:39:00.000-08:002012-02-05T07:41:38.075-08:00EVERY TIME TWO WORLD'S COLLIDE - WHY BYB MISSED THE MARK<span style="background-color: #ffffee; color: #333333; font-family: 'trebuchet ms', verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;">EVERY TIME TWO WORLD'S COLLIDE - WHY BYB MISSED THE MARK </span><br />
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<span style="background-color: #ffffee; color: #333333; font-family: 'trebuchet ms', verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;">The world of purebred dogs is definitely divided - The good the bad the Ugly - </span><br />
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<span style="background-color: #ffffee; color: #333333; font-family: 'trebuchet ms', verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;">It is divided because the nature of the sport goes against the very heart of the purpose - dedicated people working to produce the best example possible.</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: #ffffee; color: #333333; font-family: 'trebuchet ms', verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;">First if we look at the reason that brought about the purebred dog world we would have to go way back in time. People had tasks that they needed fulfilled so they looked at Man's best friend to help. They noticed that certain dogs were really strong in certain task so they started breeding these dogs to each other with the specific purpose in mind to make sure more of the dogs would work or meet the requirements for which they were bred. They wanted them to breed true to that task and a certain look, otherwise they wanted them to breed true to both form and function.</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: #ffffee; color: #333333; font-family: 'trebuchet ms', verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;">But for the purebred dog world it was a big difference - there was a purpose - a passion. Since dogs pretty much roamed loose in the old days they would mate with whoever was available but the purebred dogs were put up and carefully screened and mated with a specific purpose. Breeders kept meticulious records of matings and the results. Hence the American Kennel Club was formed to help promote this sport and make these records more available to the public. These purposes became the guideline or standard for each breed. You can't have one without the other. Purebred dogs must adhere to the standard. </span><br />
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<span style="background-color: #ffffee; color: #333333; font-family: 'trebuchet ms', verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;">Dobs4ever -Dogs Under Fire</span>Dobs4everhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621621098594312853noreply@blogger.com0