Tuesday, November 12, 2013

How "CHOICE" lost the CROP/DOCK issue for England, Scotland and Wales in 2007

After a long hard battle by breeders and the breed clubs England, Scotland and Wales failed to protect our  rights and our dogs as they lost the battle for "CHOICE" in docking their dogs April 2007.

Rest assured this fight has NOTHING to do with choice or with cruelty - it has to do with AR groups who could not get purebred dogs banned outright so they started by chipping away at the standard.  IF they can get one part of the standard to fall everywhere then it sends a loud clear message that breed standards, specific breeds, and adherence to long standing breed types are not important and therefore, purebred dogs should be banned. 

That is where it is headed -  As Americans we must stand tall for our rights.  The government does not care  about or understand the purebred dog world, shows, training, breeding etc so they need to stay the heck OUT but above all they should not support any AR groups agenda.

Just look what happened to the Rotties when their president sold them out and now their standard allows an undocked dog to show and win.  You say not important..... You say what is the big deal......

Here is the link to the latest Dog News magazine:  http://issuu.com/dognews/docs/072613 Go to page 121.

I wanted  to post this info on “The Case for Docking” published by the Council of Docked Breeds in the UK.   so I will publish the link to their website www.cdb.org for further information and to read the article..  It appears as though the website has not been updated in a couple years, but there are excellent examples ................

*  Registrations drop drastically  Doberman registration has gone from 80,000 in the late 70's down to less than 10,000 in 2009.............How much further down can we go before we become
an endangered species FIGHTING for survival????

*  AVMA and CVMA both have followed the AR agenda and worked to ban tail docking 

           ***16,000 reported tail injures that could have been prevented
                  5,000 amputations due to tail injuries on older dogs again prevented by docking

          *** No one has proved on any level that tail docking is harmful .....but there is proof it is beneficial especially to docked breeds, otherwise why the exemption for working dogs???

Since the initial writings above several providences in Canada have BANNED cropping and docking.  CHOICE has proven over and over to lead to NO CHOICE.  We must pull our heads out of the sand and understand that the fight is far deeper than the crop / dock issue.  It goes to the very heart of the purebred dog world and/or its elimination.  The choice is choose a side...One maintains our breed standards and the other leads to the destruction of dogs - animals period ............................Wake up before it is too late and stop the insanity.

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Saturday, November 2, 2013


 I can't tell you how often I hear this statement "It's just a beauty contest" as folks try to dismiss the value of the conformation ring.   It is almost always said by folks who have never competed at anything with their dog and who certainly do not fully understand the purpose of the "beauty pageant".

While beauty and grace is certainly a big part of it there is really so much more as far as evaluating the underlying structure and muscle tone of the dog.  Without strong conformation the dog is subject to or more
prone to injury when working.  This is certainly far more important for the larger working breeds than any other as the larger breeds have a lot more pressure and stress put on their bones and joints.

For me to poo poo something just because you do not fully understands its underlying importance is a big part of what has hurt the dog fancy and in the end our dogs.  If breeding is about bettering the breed then we must consider the conformation of the dog which speaks directly to the correct underlying structure for optimum performance.

Nothing is more heartbreaking than to get a dog, spend two years just to put the foundation training on it and then have it break down somewhere along the line before you finish the program you had for that dog.  It is a very costly mistake also.  Conformation helps us and guides us in breeding so we have the best chance at long term success for the working dogs.

Standards are very specific on each and every part of the dog - head structure, dentention, ear set, stop, eye shape and size, topline, shoulder angulation, rear angulations, feet shape and size, neck tie in all of which affects the overall movement of the dog ..........all of it is a part of the dog that was developed for a specific purpose based on what that particular breed was developed for.  To say it is just a beauty pageant shows a complete lack of understanding of what the breed was originally designed for and the purpose each part of the dog fulfills.

It is far far more than just a beauty pageant although we are obsessed with the beauty and the thrill of a show like Westminister it goes far beyond that .....it goes to the very heart and purpose of each breed.

That is the reason breeders are so passionate about their breed and its standard.  We must never stray far from the original purpose of the creation of the dog.  REGARDLESS of if today's society still uses the dog for that purpose or not the dog still must be structurally sound of mind, body and temperament.

Perhaps part of the reason we have misunderstood this important aspect of any breed is because the conformation ring is just that ............conformation (underlying structure and soundness) of any breed.
We all certainly love and are thrilled as we watch each breed - groomed to perfection move around the ring and show off the best of its breed.

If we did not have a written standard to follow then what would happen to breeds???  Correct size for optimum purpose -  everyone certainly agrees that to breed oversized dogs is detrimental to over all sound structure - the standard guide us and helps us stay within that standard size.

To say it is just a beauty pageant and then complain about some other aspect that you feel is not right does not make sense.  All is important ...All is vital to breeding dogs that are true and correct.  The next time you
hear it is just a "beauty pageant" ask them how many dogs they have bred that meet any standard????  Ask them how many dogs they have bred that have succeed in any venue??? Shocking you will usually hear NONE.  Don't fall into the trap of moaning, griping and complaining by those who are arm chair quarter backs and lack real drive and passion.  They are a part of the destruction of any breed not a part of the solution.  Let's get involved, Lets' breed better dogs,  Let's get a solid understanding of each and every part of the structure of the dog and its purpose.  It is a beauty pageant to end all beauty pageants and it is a vital part of what takes us soundly to the next generation.

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Monday, October 28, 2013


Just when I think we might be making headway on educating folks someone comes along who has a new Doberman puppy who is out of control.  So they contacted a trainer who asked a lot of questions and during the discussion discovered that the puppy is from an albino Z factored breeding.   GAG GAG GAG

The trainer must have Dobermans because she knew way too much about the problems with the albino gene pool and ended up ticking the person off so she is blaming everything on the trainer.  First time she mentioned the puppy was z factored. She then goes on to admit that the puppy was wormy, malnourished, dull coat and sickly when she got her and the breeder no longer responds to her gripes, but she is not complaining.  Wonder WHY????  But is ticked off at the trainer for trying to educate her.

So some get all mad at the horrible trainer for being so rude - RUDE to try to educate the person on the problems with the albino gene pool ---RUDE to care about the quality of the dogs being bred.................

As the story unfolds the person is 23 has 3 kids and cusses worse than a sailor but she is going to breed because all humans want to experience a baby (how about 3 in a row) and so she wants her z factored dog
to experience it too.....I understand immaturity but immaturity and stupidity and pumping out children like rabbits .........no wonder she can't take care of the dog and find time to train.

Good breeders are bashed daily yet someone like this get sympathy and support ....What is wrong with this picture???  Ask APHIS..they are going to put the good breeders out of business so that these low lifes can continue on.  WAY TO GO APHIS and USDA  about as smart as this person.  Will the stupidity ever end or will the insane rule???

Sunday, July 21, 2013


A couple weeks ago I was in a discussion with a vet who does not crop her dobermans.  While she has nice dogs it is very obvious that she has taken a stand on the side of the AR agenda because that IS their agenda.  BAN ALL cropped and docked breeds.

So as I was considering this I made the statement that Uncropped, Undocked is UNDONE and UNAmerican.  Her response was that my "home grown idear" is a self destruct agenda.  If you could only read her writing you would be very shocked to know that she has been placed in charge of the DPCA crop and dock committee.

The breed ring is the beauty pageant for the purebred dog world.  Just watch Westminster or the Eukunaba National - it is a black tie affair all the way with judges in long gowns and tuxs.  Since uncropped is a deviation to the standard,  to be penalized accordingly, why would you even want to send your dog into the ring knowing everyone will be fully dressed and your dog will be undone or dressed down???

While we have the choice, those who  are in the limelight, the leaders should support the standard and help us protect our rights.  Every uncropped dog shown says the standard is not important and it then become acceptable and considered normal - then it is BANNED forever and you will no longer see the "look of eagles" that has gone a long way in making this dog what it is today.  Otherwise who among you would have been attracted to another hound dog look???  That is not to insult the hound group - I personally think they have their own kind of beauty and it is their standard.  But the Doberman is in the working group not the hound group and the c/d definitely sets them apart and IMHO above the hound look for our breed.

If you really want a laugh you might enjoy this reading http://www.ehow.com/about_6697115_cropped-vs_-uncropped-dog-ears.html

Some of the things I found humorous:
(Quote) For example, Doberman pinschers are known for their cropped ears and docked tails, which give them a more alert, intimidating appearance.
Read more: http://www.ehow.com/about_6697115_cropped-vs_-uncropped-dog-ears.html#ixzz2ZbRakKvA (quote)

They go on to admit that many prefer the cropped ear as it can pinpoint sound within 5% or its origin whereas the uncropped can pinpoint within 20%..  If someone is sneaking up on you that just might be an important 15% difference.

(Quote)The American Veterinary Medical Association resolves this disagreement by stating that, while ears that droop abnormally increase the risk of ear infections, there is not yet any evidence to support the claim that cropped ears lower the risk. 

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/about_6697115_cropped-vs_-uncropped-dog-ears.html#ixzz2ZbSKjISY (quote)

Ok folks I am from Arkansas - I am down home and home grown.  BUT that does not mean I just fell off the turnip truck yesterday.  Therefore, I must ask what is meant when the Brilliant AVMA resolves the issue by saying while dropped ears abnormally increase the risk of infections there is NO EVIDENCE to support the claim that cropped ears are lower risk.   WHAT????  If dropped ears have an abnormal increase then doesn't that automatically mean that the opposite would improve the odds or DECREASE the odds????  HELLO???????  Is anyone listening???

Can you see why it is so critical that DPCA stand up for the standard and put people in charge who are not politically blinded to their AR agenda.  Brainwashed by the AVMA who tried to stop vets from cropping a couple years ago but received enough flak they had to retract it for now.  THEY are teaching the AR agenda in vet schools so the next time you want to find a good cropping vet what do you think your chances will be with the new brain washed vets coming out of school knowing more about political agendas than good vet care???

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Tuesday, July 16, 2013


?I can't believe that you would disregard the slate of nominees that truly
supports and promotes the working heritage of our breed in favor of a group
that obviously does not.?

I was asked this question the other day and this was my response on what I follow to the best
of my ability.

Anomoyus  - believe you me in my wildest dreams I never thought I would have to be pulled two very different distinct directions and I am honestly not real happy with either.? Both clubs have very outdated and incorrect APM and we struggle to hold trials or shows when no one knows what the real rules are.  This is obviously a major problem for BOTH clubs. I am even sadder to see one club so openly accept, promote and stand up for the UN cropped and UN docked and if we are not very careful it is spreading and infecting this one too??? But for me it comes down to just a couple of very big things I can't move past.

1. Lies, spin, slice and dice and just downright dishonestly of the leaders of this group -  NO communication with a large part of the DPCA membership speaks volumes to me.  Had they communicated on BOTH list I might have felt better that they cared more about the Doberman Pinscher than just winning at all cost.  I do not consider sending your lackeys to cross post communiicaton........  But if you support someone who has promoted division, told out and out lies to try to destroy someone just because they did not approve of them, in my book is not the ones I want to follow.    Our dogs deserve better and we can do better.

The daily shredding and hounding of some candidates is beyond reason and all common decency. If you do not see that then you have drank too much of the kool aid being handed out.? Or maybe you approve - I don't.

 I have sent e mails to the board and at best get an automated NON response response..............

2. The obvious very strong AR leanings on the crop / dock issue.? You will not win a fight by joining the opposition and / or trying to appease them with high handed educated political spin. It has been made clear that some of this slate believe strongly we have already lost thebattle and that they chose to just go ahead and side with them.

Otherwise can you tell me how you strongly support something you yourself do not do????? Just how does that work?????

The members who do not disagree with the NC slate have been all but burned at the stake for our beliefs ............

As you know I am for working our dogs and we have venues to do that should we choose. I chose UDC because it supported dobermans and according to the COE it chose the American Doberman Pinscher standard to follow. It does not say we follow the Euros into extinction by promoting their way of thinking and handing them the c/d issue on a silver platter.

While they tell you they are for choice just read their words - Little froggies swimming blindly into extinction -and that statement was made by a vet who is HEAD of the crop/dock committee.    Do you read???

 Posting articles that our dogs can't track as well because the ears help them?? - well go read some of the tracking scores and see how much the ears helped,

they can't poop correctly because of docking - clean up my poop here and tell me they have problems with it.

 If they are for it then they would help with reasons for us to keep it NOT reasons why it is going out of style.  Wouldn't you agree?????? If they support it then they would not post reasons why it is wrong. Does that make sense????? HELLO?????
Can you understand my concern???? I not only read their words butI look to their actions. Guess what, the two don't match.  Actions speak louder than words.

I am for the Doberman Pinscher and the Standard.   If we loose the standard then the doberman will become extinct... the doberman took the world by storm FIRST because of its looks and then its temperament.  All the temperament in the world would not have drawn so much attention as it would look just like any  large # of hound dogs. The looks combined with its noble attitude took peoples breath away long before they got to intimately know their wonderful temperament - alert, watchful, faithful, loyal, noble carriage accentuated by cropped ears and docked tail.

THAT is as much a part of our heritage as all the rest.  To disregard that is to show little respect for any of it in truth.  if you have read my messages on any or all list my message has not changed.  I am for the standard right down to my toes.  We don't need choice - we need breeders who stand by the standard, support that standard and who crop and dock their puppies BECAUSE IT IS THE STANDARD.

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Friday, June 28, 2013

The Snake Has Spoken - One reason dog clubs are in trouble

It is truly amazing what you learn about people from the things the post on social media sites and chat forums.  I really saw this in action this past week when the discussion of crop/dock came up.  As always it is a very heated discussion to the point the they try to keep us from discussing it at all which to me really says that the snake does not care about standing up for the standard or our breed.

A Snake is cold, deadly, lethal, cunning, secretive, elusive and strikes without warning.  Yep this pretty much describes the way I see some of the people who claim they are for choice, leave their dogs uncropped and now undocked but saying the support OUR choice.  Hey WAIT A MINUTE.... it is you who have the choice to break protocol and leave your dog uncropped and worse yet undocked.

BUT when a discussion comes up in support of our standard they throw out all kinds of arguments but this weeks discussions took the cake.  This is what started the discussion which immediately went down hill -

http://alexadry. hubpages. com/hub/Studies- Reveal-Tail- Docking-in-Puppies-is- Painful - They really needed a study for this????  I have personally attended over 200 tail dockings and ear croppings through the years and once bone and muscle passes the butt hole it does not affect anything BEHIND or before it.  Dogs don't think like we do so they do not suffer from the mind games that humans play on themselves as they let emotions run wild.

For example ALL puppies and older dogs I have ever worked with or tried to stack can clamp that tails down tighter than dick's hat band.

All my dogs have been docked and I have never had a problem with pooping or the anal glands.  So I have to ask myself where does this stuff come from ...... STRAIGHT out of the AR propaganda BS.

I can tell you that 3 day old puppies don't know anything about endorphins - they nurse because it is a very natural STRONG instinct necessary for survival.  They do so whether you dock or not.  As soon as the procedure is over they snuggle right down and either go back to sleep or they nurse.  Trying to equate human emotions and feelings to this is ridiculous as dogs are not humans.

And thank God last time I checked Humans don't have a tail to dock so that whole analogy is said to only inflame and touch emotions that tend to go out of control very easily.  It is not a highly educated statement and is like trying to compare apples to oranges..

http://www.anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page_ 4.htm

This second article was even wilder IMHO.  And after all the false equations and comparisons they end with this statement..............(quote)but she  considered that further research was required before a categorical statement could be made (quote)  THEY DON'T KNOW..............they are guessing.

I chose a cropped docked breed as I don't like tails  period.  They wave around knocking things off, have gotten slammed in doors and there can be a problem with "Happy Tail" problem where the end of the tail stays continually sore and infected from thumping things all the time as they wag it.  I say eliminate the problem.

But back to my original thought.   One  of the posters got so mad she asked to be removed so I have to ask if she is for CHOICE then why does she prefer I loose MY choice????  To follow a breed standard is definitely a choice ......There are breeds that are not  cropped and docked.  But if you know or understand anything about breed clubs or breed standards at all then you must understand that they are what preserves each and every breed and if the standard falls then we will soon loose all  purebred dogs.

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Thursday, June 13, 2013

Are we going to the Dogs OR the Baboons!!

We would rather have baboon looking dogs than a standard -  Sorry but I read that phrase and just could not resist using it. 

I read these comments the other day and just had to make some comments:
1.    We have doberman’s because we have a standard- it is how we protect and preserve any breed.

2.   Mutts don’t have a standard and that is why you see such variety even in the same litter. 

3.   Ears and tail do not make a dog healthy – good health does
No one can look on the outside of animal or human and guarantee good health.

The question was asked - how does a "natural ear" dobe take away from the "standard" Doberman?   That is the easy one to answer – it is a cropped and docked breed and clearly shows breed type.   So it really should be pretty easy to “get it”.   

Then they go on to say they have owned 3 cropped and docked Dobermans that have medical issues  - hypothyroidism, CVI and Lyme disease…………..WHOA wait a minute Lime disease is caused by ticks!!!  So to throw in something that could even contribute to other issues is not wise if you want to make a point that cropping and docking makes dogs sick.  

Folks I tell you it gets so ridiculous as people strive to destroy our standard. 
Health issues are an issue in and of themselves and can’t be judged in the ring or on the working field.  All dogs are healthy until they show otherwise.  We can do all the test, annual check up and anything else we want but until it shows up it is hidden somewhere in the DNA.  For the things we have DNA test for then we have a much clearer picture of the future as it relates to that one particular health concern.

The question was asked – “I want to know what an ear has to do with the life and death of our dobes? ?”  Me too.  They have nothing to do with it either way but cropped and docked does support the breed standard.  Once we loose that standard we will loose all purebred dogs. But every discussion I have read on this infers that flopped eared dogs live longer and have better health and add a tail and they are SUPER DOG!!!  Give me a break.

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Friday, March 15, 2013

So you think it doesn't matter

There is a web site started last year by a large group of TOP doberman breeders in the country who are very concerned about the direction the world is going but especially the DPCA.

It was started prior to the elections in hopes we could educate members on the importance of the standard and how it is slowly being erroded away -  http://2undoit.com/

If you have not read it you would certainly find it educational -

Two major things happened that finally woke folks up to the dangers we face ahead

First a rescued albino accidentley got sent an invite to the top twenty -  Albinos were banned from
all DPCA sanctioned events but since all manual updates and revisions are done by volunteers it got
lost in the shuffle.

Then the DPCA board instead of handling it internally went to AKC asking for a ruling and of course AKC who has absolutely NOTHING to do with our standard and DPCA events said no and the board caved.  Heck they wanted to splash pictures all over the DPCA web site like it was a wonderful first time event.  The sad thing is the dog did not win the top 20  she placed but the pictures that they wanted to splash on the web site would have made a loud and clear message that we approved of it.

The beautiful AKC Champion dog that actually won the entire year was forgotten.

It was pretty sad -  we worked hard to stop the damage but once out of the bag the damage is done.
The albino greeders immediately posted on just how great the albino is and what a great accomplishment.  Heck they will probably be selling albinos off that one picture for years to come.
That one picture will haunt us for years to come.

Albinos have been a plague since the late 1970's and in the 90's the big fight with AKC took place so anyone who has been around Dobermans since then certainly had to be aware of them.  JQP probably not so much because they usually just wake up one day and decide they want a doberman.

But if you show pictures and don't speak up the problem is JQP thinks they are OK.  It is like being between a rock and a hard place.  Unless of course, you believe in the breed standard and are willing to fight to uphold it. People see a picture - think wow that is different and suddenly want it.

It has nothing to do with being nice it has to do with fighting for the promotion of good breeding practices and when we appear to accept wrong we send that message loud and clear that it is not that important.  People don't stop and read about the problems with them and the albino folks got real smart and advertise them as "white" which is a color on the AKC color chart but it is not an approved Doberman color---- they are albino. 

The second picture at the top of the page is the puppy at UDC Natls last year presented with flopped ears and tails from one of the top breeders who has bought into the Euro fad of let's loose our right and lets put our breed at risk.

When we sit back and do not speak up about these wrongs then they become the norm and soon the Doberman is no more.

I seriously doubt that anyone would think roached backs and terrible conformation is a good thing in a purebred dog but that is the problem -------I doubt anyone says wow I want one just like that.

We can be nice to everyone or we can stand up for a standard.  I am very clear on where I stand.  I am sorry I don't like to  hurt anyone feelings and work very hard to be understanding but sometimes we make our bed and then we have to lie in it. 

We talk about education but what good does education do if we would rather be nice than honest and correct?  It is not that anyone is attacked but we must state facts or people get misled.  It is a very hard place to be in and today it seems folks would much rather be nice than stand up for our dogs and their standard.

I tell you had the original Doberman been left uncropped and undocked I doubt that they would have ever attracted such a large following and might have fallen into extinction early on.  Just one more hound looking dog.   Why do we want to go down a road that destroys the very standard that made our dogs possible???  If you go back and read the early founders of the breed here in America they spoke out about the importance of cropped and docked.  They were visionary or they realized the problems with the parts of Europe that had already banned it and they did not want it to happen here.

There is a country song - You either stand for something or you fall for anything.  It is happening today people don't want to stand up for right -

We must stand for our standard and we must speak up about the things that are wrong.  Somedays it feels like you fight alone and people sure don't seem to mind hurting your feelings and hurting our breed but don't want to speak out when something is wrong.  Sorry I don't get it.
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